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Old Aug 5, 2004 | 12:31 PM
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Originally Posted by ISP James
how much more convinient do you want it?
i wouldnt mind an internet connection with a couple terabyte bandwidth .
i'm sure you wouldnt mind more conveniences, no?
plus, there might be an aids pill or a cure for cancer up there :eek3:

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And again the idea of American superiority comes through...this is what I am talking about as being a key issue

No we didn't know about ozone and how pollution affects the earth but now that we do we don't even enforce the laws we have in place and instead just charge them a few extra bucks a year in fines and look the other way as though it never happened. Heaven forbid we hold industry as well as government liable for their actions. Why do you think the US didn't sign the Kyoto Treaty? Oh yeah because we are one of the single largest polluters in the nation and don't want to be held accountable for it.
Well, its true.. Many countries that are friendly with the US did so because it was in their best economic interest to trade and stuff with America. Its not the Americans fault that they're too rich .

Industries HAVE cleaned up a crapload since last century. So we're on the road to somewhere. Are you arguing that there wont be any pollution regulations up in space when we're on different planets?
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Old Aug 5, 2004 | 12:31 PM
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Originally Posted by ISP James
i dont expect the gov't to cater to my needs but i can tell you that im not the only one in this nation that questions why my money is being spent so carelessly.... im sure you yourself can think of a gov't program you'd like to reduce spending on.
Just because you don't understand or agree with it doesn't mean it's careless. People with a lot more education, knowlege, money and experiance than you and I are making these decisions.
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Old Aug 5, 2004 | 12:32 PM
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I understand your point and I see the opposite. I feel that NASA is not getting enough money. I don't feel they are stuipd rocks. They are things we can learn from.

There is low gravity on Mars as compared to earth, there's not "no gravity".
i feel that there is only so much we can learn from them and i dont understand why repeated trips to the moon yeild us the same results.... more rocks from the moon and no huge breakthroughs. how many times must we go up there, how many dollars must be spent? cant we just use the moon rocks we already have?

as for no vs. low gravity on mars, if there is enough gravity on mars to hold a human and the regular tools of life - from things as large as cars to things as small as toothpicks - down, i stand corrected. if there isnt, my point remains.... it wont be easy to go about our day to day tasks if we float.
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Old Aug 5, 2004 | 12:35 PM
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Lots of points from both sides here. I personally don't think we'll ever inhabit mars, unless its on some kind space station or biodome. However, taking trips to Mars will get scientists to invent faster ways of getting there. Space travel will get faster, and faster. Before you know it they'll be manned space craft traveling out of this solar system.
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Originally Posted by ISP James
first of all, no need to call me a retard.

you cant recycle something that doesnt exist in the first place.

aside from human life not prospering on a planet with little to zero water and oxygen, plant life (vegetables to EAT) and animals (meat to EAT) would also have a difficult time prospering.

i dont expect the gov't to cater to my needs but i can tell you that im not the only one in this nation that questions why my money is being spent so carelessly.... im sure you yourself can think of a gov't program you'd like to reduce spending on.
there is ice on mars. ice = water = oxygen. and with a little bit of some technological advancements, we'll be able to recycle much of the waste we produce by the time we get up there. We can control the climate inside greenhouses and such, so i dont see how we couldnt be able to grow plants up there. same thing with animals. just raise them up there.
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Old Aug 5, 2004 | 12:36 PM
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Originally Posted by RB26DETT
Industries HAVE cleaned up a crapload since last century. So we're on the road to somewhere. Are you arguing that there wont be any pollution regulations up in space when we're on different planets?
They have cleaned up some but far from what regulations tell them to. Many are always paying off huge fines because its easier and cheaper than coming into compliance with regulations.

Am I saying that there won't be regulations on Mars...no not at all in fact the opposite, but after seeing how enforceable it is on earth what gives me any hope that it will be more enforced on Mars?

All I have to go on is the current and past record in order to make my call on the situation
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Originally Posted by wilsel
Lots of points from both sides here. I personally don't think we'll ever inhabit mars, unless its on some kind space station or biodome. However, taking trips to Mars will get scientists to invent faster ways of getting there. Space travel will get faster, and faster. Before you know it they'll be manned space craft traveling out of this solar system.
well...it would have to be some biodome..wouldnt it? i wouldnt like to wear a spacesuit all day, every day
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Old Aug 5, 2004 | 12:39 PM
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Originally Posted by RB26DETT
we need multiquote back

i wouldnt mind an internet connection with a couple terabyte bandwidth .
i'm sure you wouldnt mind more conveniences, no?
plus, there might be an aids pill or a cure for cancer up there :eek3:

hahaha or rover just happens upon a little bottle of pills on mars

no, i do see that as a possibility, a mineral or something up there that could be a medical breakthrough, i will admit that potential..but we must also recognize the potential for negative results.... perhaps disease or minerals that could result in the destruction of life as we know it...
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Old Aug 5, 2004 | 12:41 PM
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Originally Posted by Nightshade
They have cleaned up some but far from what regulations tell them to. Many are always paying off huge fines because its easier and cheaper than coming into compliance with regulations.

Am I saying that there won't be regulations on Mars...no not at all in fact the opposite, but after seeing how enforceable it is on earth what gives me any hope that it will be more enforced on Mars?

All I have to go on is the current and past record in order to make my call on the situation
Well, whats the worst thing that could happen? After trashing Mars and the moon, we could just move on to Jupiter's moons .

I say we just place all the industry on Mars in Japan's hands. They like to make things clean and efficient
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Old Aug 5, 2004 | 12:41 PM
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Originally Posted by ISP James
as for no vs. low gravity on mars, if there is enough gravity on mars to hold a human and the regular tools of life - from things as large as cars to things as small as toothpicks - down, i stand corrected. if there isnt, my point remains.... it wont be easy to go about our day to day tasks if we float.
Everything has gravity. You have gravity. The more dense and bigger something is the more gravity it has.

Have you seen the videos of people walking on the moon? They can and do. Yes they have a very springy step and can float for a good distance but they can still work like normal.

Mars is a good bit bigger than the moon too. So mars has more than the moon in terms of gravity. Not as much as earth.
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