humans colonizing Mars....
DAMIMRED
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Originally Posted by clickwir
In a way we already do. 
We are able to run simulations on mainframe or superclusters that EVOLVE a design.
Say for example I read recently on a news site they were looking into finding a stronger form of silk. So they input all the knew about silk and told the computer what they were looking for as results. The computer then took that info, and made a new design. Then virtually tested it. It failed so it made a new design, tested it, it was better but still didn't meet the requirements. Then again... and again.. and again. I think it took them 10 days and about 20 "generations" of this but they found a new design for the protiens that make up silk and they now have a fomula for silk that is twice as strong, cheaper, finer, and lighter. We evolved in 10 days what mother nature took millions of years.
They are now using this same evolving process for new circuit designs. New ways of making chemicals. New designs that are just a little bit stronger or lighter or better in some way.
Only down side is that it takes tremendous amounts of power and processing ability to do this.
We are able to run simulations on mainframe or superclusters that EVOLVE a design.
Say for example I read recently on a news site they were looking into finding a stronger form of silk. So they input all the knew about silk and told the computer what they were looking for as results. The computer then took that info, and made a new design. Then virtually tested it. It failed so it made a new design, tested it, it was better but still didn't meet the requirements. Then again... and again.. and again. I think it took them 10 days and about 20 "generations" of this but they found a new design for the protiens that make up silk and they now have a fomula for silk that is twice as strong, cheaper, finer, and lighter. We evolved in 10 days what mother nature took millions of years.
They are now using this same evolving process for new circuit designs. New ways of making chemicals. New designs that are just a little bit stronger or lighter or better in some way.
Only down side is that it takes tremendous amounts of power and processing ability to do this.
DAMIMRED
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actually now that i think about it, i was watching this monster truck show on discovery last nite they talked about changing the specs in the computer for stuff like shocks and springs and then they would "test run" their truck with the spring rates for example and see how the truck would do after jumping cars etc.... then when they have the optimal rate figured out they produced the spring. but there was a person runnin the computer...
Floppy Death! noES!!!
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Originally Posted by ISP James
but did they need a human to run that computer?
But the computer ran unassisted for the 10days or so and did the evolving/testing part on it's own.
DAMIMRED
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probably by that time it would be possible to communicate with that computer from a computer here on earth, anyway
but im still not sure i favor space exploration as a way to spend my tax dollars
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but im still not sure i favor space exploration as a way to spend my tax dollars
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JDM Fan Boy
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Originally Posted by ISP James
i feel that there is only so much we can learn from them and i dont understand why repeated trips to the moon yeild us the same results.... more rocks from the moon and no huge breakthroughs. how many times must we go up there, how many dollars must be spent? cant we just use the moon rocks we already have?
as for no vs. low gravity on mars, if there is enough gravity on mars to hold a human and the regular tools of life - from things as large as cars to things as small as toothpicks - down, i stand corrected. if there isnt, my point remains.... it wont be easy to go about our day to day tasks if we float.
as for no vs. low gravity on mars, if there is enough gravity on mars to hold a human and the regular tools of life - from things as large as cars to things as small as toothpicks - down, i stand corrected. if there isnt, my point remains.... it wont be easy to go about our day to day tasks if we float.
I still like honda's. :-/
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From: Gilbert, AZ
i think it all boils down to one resource.....
Oil. Oil on Mars.
http://www.dailysedative.com/content/725_oilonmar.html
Oil. Oil on Mars.
http://www.dailysedative.com/content/725_oilonmar.html
un-Touch'd krew
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Originally Posted by incublinkus
You're obviously a tool and have no idea how gravity works. Put simply, if two objects have mass, their is an attraction between them, and the one with greater mass seems to pull the lesser towards it. The Moon, Mars, Mecury, Venus, Jupiter, Saturn, Neptune, Uranus, and all of said planets moons have gravity. It may be less than earth, but their is still gravity. I think mars has like 40% of the gravity we have on earth. So if you weight 200 lbs on earth, you'll only appear to weigh 80lbs on mars...
I can't exactly explain it but I just had this discussion in a quantum physics discussion and I do remember this was not how it was explained at all.
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DAMIMRED
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Originally Posted by incublinkus
You're obviously a tool and have no idea how gravity works. Put simply, if two objects have mass, their is an attraction between them, and the one with greater mass seems to pull the lesser towards it. The Moon, Mars, Mecury, Venus, Jupiter, Saturn, Neptune, Uranus, and all of said planets moons have gravity. It may be less than earth, but their is still gravity. I think mars has like 40% of the gravity we have on earth. So if you weight 200 lbs on earth, you'll only appear to weigh 80lbs on mars...
first off, no need for name calling, come off the play ground and act. like a grownup
but since you wanted to bring that element into the conversation, moron, we resolved the gravity discussion about 5 or 6 posts ago... catch up to it
2nd, that stuff that weighs 200 lbs appears to weigh 80 lbs, what about the stuff that weighs an ounce or 2, what about a sheet of paper... i work at a bank... counting money wont be much fun if its weightless and everytime i open the drawer, it floats away.
dean_smits
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Originally Posted by ISP James
thats fine but dont forget the 1000's of square miles of earth that is still uninhabited...
as for R&D and products coming from NASA and space development, are there any that we couldnt live without?
as for R&D and products coming from NASA and space development, are there any that we couldnt live without?
