type r vs sr20det
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From: Cornelius, NC
Originally posted by 240sxer
I'd like to clear a few things up. I have a 1995 Nissan 240sx. For starters, a 240sx with a SR@ stock boost would rock a TypeR. I know, because I have one. A lot of 240sx have LSD stock so that 99% is crap. It came with the ABS package, and the hicas package, so there are TONS of them around. I have a LSD on my 95. An the GST vs. 240, a 240 would have a GOOD chance of winning. I've taken GSTs and even GSXs with my KA. The KA is a torque monster, don't take it lightly. It has a much better power band than most 4cyls.
The 240 has 155hp, 160tq and it's about 2650lb and RWD
The GST has 210hp, 214tq and it's about 2900lb and FWD
It's not that hard to figure, that the 250lb less, and the RWD could easily make the HP difference it would take to win.
I could walk any FWD car off the line (both running street tires). That ALWAYS gives me a huge advantage.
I'd like to clear a few things up. I have a 1995 Nissan 240sx. For starters, a 240sx with a SR@ stock boost would rock a TypeR. I know, because I have one. A lot of 240sx have LSD stock so that 99% is crap. It came with the ABS package, and the hicas package, so there are TONS of them around. I have a LSD on my 95. An the GST vs. 240, a 240 would have a GOOD chance of winning. I've taken GSTs and even GSXs with my KA. The KA is a torque monster, don't take it lightly. It has a much better power band than most 4cyls.
The 240 has 155hp, 160tq and it's about 2650lb and RWD
The GST has 210hp, 214tq and it's about 2900lb and FWD
It's not that hard to figure, that the 250lb less, and the RWD could easily make the HP difference it would take to win.
I could walk any FWD car off the line (both running street tires). That ALWAYS gives me a huge advantage.
I raced a 240sx (180sx body style) from a stoplight and he had me by a car length til 65mph then I walked from him in 3rd, this is all with the base Eclipse (140hp, 130tq; 2800lbs). When he'd shift, I could run my gear out a little more and gain some before I had to shift.
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From: Baton Rouge, La
Originally posted by 240sxer
The 240 has 155hp, 160tq and it's about 2650lb and RWD
The GST has 210hp, 214tq and it's about 2900lb and FWD
It's not that hard to figure, that the 250lb less, and the RWD could easily make the HP difference it would take to win.
I could walk any FWD car off the line (both running street tires). That ALWAYS gives me a huge advantage.
The 240 has 155hp, 160tq and it's about 2650lb and RWD
The GST has 210hp, 214tq and it's about 2900lb and FWD
It's not that hard to figure, that the 250lb less, and the RWD could easily make the HP difference it would take to win.
I could walk any FWD car off the line (both running street tires). That ALWAYS gives me a huge advantage.
Respectfully disagree.
I had a long-drawn out post, but i had a sign-in error, so you'll get the readers-digest version.
Power/weight ratio. Using your numbers, and some i dug up.
corvette ~3300/350 --- 9.4 lbs per HP
GST 2900/210 --- 13.8 lbs per HP
240 2650/155 --- 17.09 lbs per HP.
civic 2594/127 20.4 lbs per HP
Notes-
-Yes... RWD helps... but horsepower helps a lot more.
-Stock 240 engines do put out a lot of torque for a 4-cyl... I'll give you that... but the car is still underpowered in the racing world.
Oh... and dont say you could take ANY type-R... that's just asking for it.
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From: Lancaster, Ca
Maybe you raced an 89-90 240sx... Even then I'd doubt it... I've walked away from a 99 Camaro Z28 in my mid 15 240, it does not mean the guy wasn’t a complete moron and didn’t know how to drive worth a damn.
I raced a 97 GSX when mine was NA, my friend dumped it at 6k and hit a 2.0 60ft. I got a 2.2 60ft with my open dif an 225 kumo 712s I was pulling on him the whole time, but he ran a 15.4 and I ran a 15.7. That's a GSX with full 3in exhaust and an Intake. My NA 240 was probably putting down about 180hp/175tq.
Your car is FWD, heavier, and has less power. Do the math. I raced a 1st gen NA eclipse in my 91 240 (i have 2) which is stock, and it was the most pathetic race I’ve ever seen. I'd bet my life that I would rock your Eclipse when my 240 was NA.
The high trap was because my shitty Blitz BOV was leaking till it spooled pas like 5k so it was a bit sluggish at the low rpms.. At least that’s why I think. My 60ft on those runs were like 2.4, because my sub frame spacers are ****ed up and I wheel hop if I launch.
I agree that a stock SR powered 240 and a stock TypeR would be a good race. I still think the 240 would win at least 70% of the time. Even when I had a open diff I was getting low 2.2 60ft runs. Even open Diff RWD is better than FWD. This is at LACR. Which is the slickest worse track there is (anyone who has ran there knows what i'm talking about)
Anyway, did anyone check out the Silvia vs TypeR video?
I raced a 97 GSX when mine was NA, my friend dumped it at 6k and hit a 2.0 60ft. I got a 2.2 60ft with my open dif an 225 kumo 712s I was pulling on him the whole time, but he ran a 15.4 and I ran a 15.7. That's a GSX with full 3in exhaust and an Intake. My NA 240 was probably putting down about 180hp/175tq.
Your car is FWD, heavier, and has less power. Do the math. I raced a 1st gen NA eclipse in my 91 240 (i have 2) which is stock, and it was the most pathetic race I’ve ever seen. I'd bet my life that I would rock your Eclipse when my 240 was NA.
The high trap was because my shitty Blitz BOV was leaking till it spooled pas like 5k so it was a bit sluggish at the low rpms.. At least that’s why I think. My 60ft on those runs were like 2.4, because my sub frame spacers are ****ed up and I wheel hop if I launch.
I agree that a stock SR powered 240 and a stock TypeR would be a good race. I still think the 240 would win at least 70% of the time. Even when I had a open diff I was getting low 2.2 60ft runs. Even open Diff RWD is better than FWD. This is at LACR. Which is the slickest worse track there is (anyone who has ran there knows what i'm talking about)
Anyway, did anyone check out the Silvia vs TypeR video?
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if you are saying you "walked away" from a 1999 Z28
when your running a 15.5 in your NA 240sx, than i call:bs:
it was obivously a late model 6cyl camaro (200HP) champ
those NA 240sx's are funny, there are a few that frequent the races and the avenue by me. there is a mid nineties black one with exhaust and yada yada whatever that was messin with me at like 40, and i didnt even need to downshift to 2nd to kick his ass, 3rd gear did the job from 3500 rpms on up
and once my VTEC engaged at 5000 it was more like a bbq
i ate that guy alive
those NA 240's are boats d00d
btw ur "stock" sr240 has an aftermarket BOV?
a 2G eclipse gsx with 3in exhaust and other mods would be in the high 13's easy, because there is nothing to stop him from running higher boost with all that restriction gone
im not denying that a sr240 could beat a type-r, but not a NA 240sx
so again i say :bs:
~boom
when your running a 15.5 in your NA 240sx, than i call:bs:
it was obivously a late model 6cyl camaro (200HP) champ
those NA 240sx's are funny, there are a few that frequent the races and the avenue by me. there is a mid nineties black one with exhaust and yada yada whatever that was messin with me at like 40, and i didnt even need to downshift to 2nd to kick his ass, 3rd gear did the job from 3500 rpms on up
and once my VTEC engaged at 5000 it was more like a bbq
i ate that guy alive
those NA 240's are boats d00d
btw ur "stock" sr240 has an aftermarket BOV?
a 2G eclipse gsx with 3in exhaust and other mods would be in the high 13's easy, because there is nothing to stop him from running higher boost with all that restriction gone
im not denying that a sr240 could beat a type-r, but not a NA 240sx
so again i say :bs:
~boom
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From: cortland, ohio
the sr20 would probably beat the itr. its turbo chraged and the boost can be brought up to 15psi before you have to start building up the motor. also it depends on which 240sx it is. the 89-93 are extremely light while the s14 and s15 bodys are a little more bulky. also, u should specify which sr20 motor it is. is it the redtop or blacktop or is it a bluebird. many possibilities but most likely the sr20 would win, not to mention its rwd
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From: Cornelius, NC
Originally posted by 240sxer
Maybe you raced an 89-90 240sx... Even then I'd doubt it...
Your car is FWD, heavier, and has less power. Do the math. I raced a 1st gen NA eclipse in my 91 240 (i have 2) which is stock, and it was the most pathetic race I’ve ever seen. I'd bet my life that I would rock your Eclipse when my 240 was NA.
Maybe you raced an 89-90 240sx... Even then I'd doubt it...
Your car is FWD, heavier, and has less power. Do the math. I raced a 1st gen NA eclipse in my 91 240 (i have 2) which is stock, and it was the most pathetic race I’ve ever seen. I'd bet my life that I would rock your Eclipse when my 240 was NA.
Originally posted by 240sxer
I agree that a stock SR powered 240 and a stock TypeR would be a good race. I still think the 240 would win at least 70% of the time. Even when I had a open diff I was getting low 2.2 60ft runs. Even open Diff RWD is better than FWD. This is at LACR. Which is the slickest worse track there is (anyone who has ran there knows what i'm talking about)
I agree that a stock SR powered 240 and a stock TypeR would be a good race. I still think the 240 would win at least 70% of the time. Even when I had a open diff I was getting low 2.2 60ft runs. Even open Diff RWD is better than FWD. This is at LACR. Which is the slickest worse track there is (anyone who has ran there knows what i'm talking about)
Either way I still call BS on the OLD post about the 240sx beating the GS-T unless it had like a leaky wastegate or bov, maybe had a plug pulled, or maybe the turbo was dead.
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Originally posted by 240sxer
I'd like to clear a few things up. I have a 1995 Nissan 240sx. For starters, a 240sx with a SR@ stock boost would rock a TypeR. I know, because I have one. A lot of 240sx have LSD stock so that 99% is crap. It came with the ABS package, and the hicas package, so there are TONS of them around. I have a LSD on my 95. An the GST vs. 240, a 240 would have a GOOD chance of winning. I've taken GSTs and even GSXs with my KA. The KA is a torque monster, don't take it lightly. It has a much better power band than most 4cyls.
The 240 has 155hp, 160tq and it's about 2650lb and RWD
The GST has 210hp, 214tq and it's about 2900lb and FWD
It's not that hard to figure, that the 250lb less, and the RWD could easily make the HP difference it would take to win.
I could walk any FWD car off the line (both running street tires). That ALWAYS gives me a huge advantage.
I've seen a Type R run a 15.5 @LACR (don't remember speed), it only has exhaust and a CAI.
I've ran 14.4@101 at LACR. My SR isn’t "stock" though although it's stock boost, I have 3in down pipe, and full 3in exhaust, FMIC, and a K&N.
Line me up with any TypeR and I’ll walk on him.
The video you guys were referring to I have on my site the video is a joke, no way the typeR would pull on him. It was obviously a Honda bias video:
http://www.racingonthestreet.com/Rac...n%20Silvia.avi
It's a slow server so I don't want to hear complaining, if you want the video you'll wait, if not you wont
I'd like to clear a few things up. I have a 1995 Nissan 240sx. For starters, a 240sx with a SR@ stock boost would rock a TypeR. I know, because I have one. A lot of 240sx have LSD stock so that 99% is crap. It came with the ABS package, and the hicas package, so there are TONS of them around. I have a LSD on my 95. An the GST vs. 240, a 240 would have a GOOD chance of winning. I've taken GSTs and even GSXs with my KA. The KA is a torque monster, don't take it lightly. It has a much better power band than most 4cyls.
The 240 has 155hp, 160tq and it's about 2650lb and RWD
The GST has 210hp, 214tq and it's about 2900lb and FWD
It's not that hard to figure, that the 250lb less, and the RWD could easily make the HP difference it would take to win.
I could walk any FWD car off the line (both running street tires). That ALWAYS gives me a huge advantage.
I've seen a Type R run a 15.5 @LACR (don't remember speed), it only has exhaust and a CAI.
I've ran 14.4@101 at LACR. My SR isn’t "stock" though although it's stock boost, I have 3in down pipe, and full 3in exhaust, FMIC, and a K&N.
Line me up with any TypeR and I’ll walk on him.
The video you guys were referring to I have on my site the video is a joke, no way the typeR would pull on him. It was obviously a Honda bias video:
http://www.racingonthestreet.com/Rac...n%20Silvia.avi
It's a slow server so I don't want to hear complaining, if you want the video you'll wait, if not you wont
i actually believe his 14.4... the track out there is in the middle of no where.. like the desert.. aint easy to get the greatest times in the heat.. or if its the case both of them are crappy drivers.. still.. id base the fact that a type r at best does low 14's and the srdet into the high 13's. just my 2cents
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From: Toronto
Originally posted by 240sxer
I can take any stock typeR, even any lightly moded typeR. Not "any typeR in the world" for a turbo TypeR would hand my ass to me.. I'm not stupid.
I can take any stock typeR, even any lightly moded typeR. Not "any typeR in the world" for a turbo TypeR would hand my ass to me.. I'm not stupid.
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From: Milwaukee, WI
Originally posted by ludeboom
those NA 240's are boats d00d
btw ur "stock" sr240 has an aftermarket BOV?
~boom
those NA 240's are boats d00d
btw ur "stock" sr240 has an aftermarket BOV?
~boom
Originally posted by raiden571
the sr20 would probably beat the itr. its turbo chraged and the boost can be brought up to 15psi before you have to start building up the motor. also it depends on which 240sx it is. the 89-93 are extremely light while the s14 and s15 bodys are a little more bulky. also, u should specify which sr20 motor it is. is it the redtop or blacktop or is it a bluebird. many possibilities but most likely the sr20 would win, not to mention its rwd
the sr20 would probably beat the itr. its turbo chraged and the boost can be brought up to 15psi before you have to start building up the motor. also it depends on which 240sx it is. the 89-93 are extremely light while the s14 and s15 bodys are a little more bulky. also, u should specify which sr20 motor it is. is it the redtop or blacktop or is it a bluebird. many possibilities but most likely the sr20 would win, not to mention its rwd
People are putting down 400~500hp on stock internals.