What issue was that in? The one with the SS and the s2000. I just want to reread it, sounds interesting.

 

http://www.roadandtrack.com/article....ber=1&preview=
Here you go.
I just realized now that I re-read the article.... the Z06 was in second behind only the Ferrari 360. And this is the "slow" 385 Hp Z06. I'd like to see what the times would be like if they compared the '02 Z06 (with 20 more hp and a tweaked suspension) against the relatively unchanged '02 Ferrari 360.

 

yea but ferrari jsut came out with the new 360 somin taht start with an s that they dropped a bunch of weight paddle shift made the launch control alout better and messed with the handiling so the 360 may still win

 

u must keep in mind tho that all those numbers were from wet road conditions and is comparable for wet condition comparsions only the s200 jumping to 60 on 4.9 sec tahts only form the less traction and the ability to keep the motor spooled up so take that into consideration. To bad we didnt get to see a mustang in there becasue stock there handeling trully does suck

 

I've got a race set up for Thursday with Diablo. Not sure what it'll prove since my car is neither light weight or high reving and he doesn't want me to "borrow" something that is. But to fore warn anyone else who thinks "calling me out" will shut me up, it won't. I'm right about this, so you dumb-estic drivers will just have to be enlightened or frustrated... take your pick.


Fast-Ford... to answer your question: The reason 4cyl and 8cyl cars do not compete in sanctioned racing events is because the 4cyls are clearly out matched.

Now answer my question... What do you drive?

 

I drive a 2003 Mustang GT........bone stock except for a Flowmaster catback which I put on for sound..........the gains are mimimal without headers or an H-Pipe. I'm not into bolt ons so much, I mean 5 hp here or 10 hp there doesn't interest me when weighing the cost vs a new engine. I am pleased with the car as delivered but it is nowhere near the car I intend for it to be.

The upgrade plan is for suspension first, then the rear end, then a crate engine while keeping the appearence mostly stock. The car is in storrage for the winter. I will be making some upgrades this spring.....but I haven't finalized what I'm buying yet. I'm not gonna sit here and shoot off about supercharging it and stuff because that's not what I'm doing with it. It is safe to say that it will certainly have long tube headers and a pro-chamber h-pipe put on but I'm still working out which suspension changes will take place. The car has to walk a fine line between being a good daily driver, and a performer when I want to put my foot in it. Building a suspension to do that takes a bit of investigation on what combination of parts to use. I don't care if the guys at work Turbo their RSX's and get more speed. I'm after a combination that I am happy driving, and that has extreme durability. The car has no trouble turning heads (it's yellow, has a leather interior, and has polished aluminum 5 star rims) and it more than holds it's own on the road.......but I'm not making changes based on what "other" people are doing. I'm building a car that I will enjoy driving and suits my driving style..........which is what everyone who loves cars does right?

Don't look for it to be a super street rod either, at best I may be adding 25 horses at the most.......not enough to make me run down to the dyno shop that's for sure. The headers and exhaust will be added to make it produce a deep sound, the same way I intended with the Flowmasters not for a power adder. Does that answer your question?

 

I'm not going to get into the fact that it didn't happen yesterday and what not. The Grand Sport 2 series was a year old (the #52 Mustang win at power hogging Daytona was this fall and the Targa race was back in Sept) I was just putting forth some of my knowledge of pro racing series and disproving the myth about the handling thing, and proving my theory about power and torque....it said so right in the Targa rules as I pointed out.

That column was not biased toward Ford, it was direct from the sanctioning body merely reporting the success of the Mustang in that series. People think I'm kidding when I'm talking about road race set ups being effective on the Mustang.

What people see at "open" track weekends or on the street doesn't make a valid arguement because of the lack of rules or giudelines. I am showing you hard proof from sanctioned racing series that torque and power makes the difference. The BMW's in that series also run V8's and they are also successful.

Nothing is wrong with Import Tuner, I just find that people who read it (having no prior car or racing knowledge) may tend to get wrong impressions because they focus on weekend bracket racing and street car setups a lot.........which is cool for people who want to race a bit and have a street car - but just don't take it to the extreme and think that a car like a Celica, Triburon, Civic, RSX or S2000 is going to take on a fully prepared Mustang, BMW, or Porsche on a road course. I am not lying when I say that big torque is needed in serious road race competition.

 

I'll agree with you in saying that the Celica, Tiburon, etc... won't take on the Mustang, BMW, or Porsche but the S2000 could run with those three. Take that video posted a while back, the S2000 spanked the Porsche Boxster (same class) and probably could have beat the M3 had the skyline not gotten in its way.

 

So you don't drive a Cobra or Q400 or Nascar stock car?


In the end, that's all that matters.

Fully prepared? Maybe not, but when I compare a stock S2000 to a stock Mustang GT you bring up suspension mods and Q400s. So if the Mustang's shortcomings can be made up for, then certainly the Civic, RSX, Celica's etc... shortcomings may be made up for.


Look, I don't even drive an S2000. I used to drive an ITR. I've raced many Mustang owners with the same mentality as yours (on the street and on the track) who thought they're TORQUE was enough to win. It wasn't, there's simply TOO many other factors. Now you can argue that sanctioned racing events remove such factors, but that doesn't discredit what I'm saying.

I drive a Civic and 350Z. The Civic is being modded slowly and the Z is staying stock for atleast another 4,000 miles. If anything, the Z is similar to a domestic with its high torque and heavy weight. I'm just not silly enough to believe that my 274ft/lbs are going to keep me from getting stomped by some of these imports running around.

 

dont get so riled up dude, seiously. i want this to be a FRIENDLY race,lol. i love to race , end of story, i did not call you out to shut u up. And you act like my car will demolish yours, when in fact on the street a high 13 second car can beat a low 13 sec car plain and simple.

P.S. dont worry i wont shut up either if i lose,