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Old Jan 15, 2004 | 09:11 AM
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Originally posted by Diablo
dont get so riled up dude, seiously. i want this to be a FRIENDLY race,lol. i love to race , end of story, i did not call you out to shut u up. And you act like my car will demolish yours, when in fact on the street a high 13 second car can beat a low 13 sec car plain and simple.

P.S. dont worry i wont shut up either if i lose,
How do "a few mods" translate into low 13s???

Hey, I may sound riled up, but I'm not. Its the internet. A friendly race is all good. Besides YOU were the one talking all that ish about handing 350Z's their asses, ripping new ones, and all that jazz. :fawk:
Old Jan 15, 2004 | 09:15 AM
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Hey, I may sound riled up, but I'm not. Its the internet. A friendly race is all good. Besides YOU were the one talking all that ish about handing 350Z's their asses, ripping new
demolishin a 350z from a roll that wasnt a set-up race is alot different than a race that is actully setup.

How do "a few mods" translate into low 13s???
im confused are you sayin i should be faster or slower. cause stock lt1's have ran as low 13.5-13.5 with some weight reduction on average its more like 13.8-14.0. so a few mods especailly on an engine like an lt1 it isnt hard to get low 13's.
Old Jan 15, 2004 | 09:48 AM
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Originally posted by Diablo
im confused are you sayin i should be faster or slower.
I'm saying you've got some mods that you're not telling us about, or you have a looser definition of "few."

What do you have done, btw?
Old Jan 15, 2004 | 09:50 AM
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What do you have done, btw?
just a few little things, didnt give me much power, just loud as fawk now. r u stock?
Old Jan 15, 2004 | 11:34 AM
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Originally posted by Diablo
just a few little things, didnt give me much power, just loud as fawk now. r u stock?
I'm bone stock. There's only 6300 miles on her. She'll stay stock until I hit atleast 10K.
Old Jan 15, 2004 | 03:39 PM
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Originally posted by Fast-Ford


I'm not going to get into the fact that it didn't happen yesterday and what not. The Grand Sport 2 series was a year old (the #52 Mustang win at power hogging Daytona was this fall and the Targa race was back in Sept) I was just putting forth some of my knowledge of pro racing series and disproving the myth about the handling thing, and proving my theory about power and torque....it said so right in the Targa rules as I pointed out.

That column was not biased toward Ford, it was direct from the sanctioning body merely reporting the success of the Mustang in that series. People think I'm kidding when I'm talking about road race set ups being effective on the Mustang.

What people see at "open" track weekends or on the street doesn't make a valid arguement because of the lack of rules or giudelines. I am showing you hard proof from sanctioned racing series that torque and power makes the difference. The BMW's in that series also run V8's and they are also successful.
well first off, what BMW V8's are we talkin bout here
because the M3 is an inline 6

now i agree with integrity, we originally were talking stock here, not goddamn nascar or some super mustang that has a different suspension on it

Originally posted by Diablo


just a few little things, didnt give me much power, just loud as fawk now. r u stock?
why dont you just answer the question?
what mods are you running.
lid? exhaust? headers????
stop dancing around the question

Originally posted by Integrity
I'm bone stock. There's only 6300 miles on her. She'll stay stock until I hit atleast 10K.
I am officially backing integrity in this race :thumbup:

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Old Jan 15, 2004 | 07:35 PM
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Races went well. We were about as safe as you can get on the street. Nobody got hurt, ticketed, shot, or arrested. These two cars are very evenly matched. Some races went my way, some went Diablo's way. However, I've got a whole lot of stuff to mess with him about... but I'll let him post up his side of the story before I start giving him a hard time.

Nice meeting you Diablo.
Old Jan 15, 2004 | 07:49 PM
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Originally posted by Integrity
So you don't drive a Cobra or Q400 or Nascar stock car?


In the end, that's all that matters.

Fully prepared? Maybe not, but when I compare a stock S2000 to a stock Mustang GT you bring up suspension mods and Q400s. So if the Mustang's shortcomings can be made up for, then certainly the Civic, RSX, Celica's etc... shortcomings may be made up for.


Look, I don't even drive an S2000. I used to drive an ITR. I've raced many Mustang owners with the same mentality as yours (on the street and on the track) who thought they're TORQUE was enough to win. It wasn't, there's simply TOO many other factors. Now you can argue that sanctioned racing events remove such factors, but that doesn't discredit what I'm saying.

I drive a Civic and 350Z. The Civic is being modded slowly and the Z is staying stock for atleast another 4,000 miles. If anything, the Z is similar to a domestic with its high torque and heavy weight. I'm just not silly enough to believe that my 274ft/lbs are going to keep me from getting stomped by some of these imports running around.
I didn't go down the route of mentioning the Q400 and stuff to get into another topic, I was just dismissing the statements thrown about like "the S2000 would slaughter the Mustang on a road course" and things like that. Maybe my idea of road course is different........I don't think stock vehicles in Car and Driver......I think fully prepared race vehicles. In the Targa link I gave they have to be street legal. My point there was show that a car like the S2000 has not been made competitive in that arena.....at least not as of yet.

Yes you can make any car's factory compramises better......to a point though. You won't turn a Civic into an 8 second car, and you won't turn it into a V8 class road race competitor either. That is all I'm saying. Even with street cars, there is a point where the car will get as good as it can for what it is designed for.

Don't come away thinking that just because my car has great torque, that some import that has been built can not take me out on the street because I'm not that arrogant. The stock GT is putting out a little over 260hp with the cat back.......that's not a lot of power. And having a lot of experience with friends who race, I fully realize that there are a lot of other thngs to consider. Why do you suppose my concentration is on suspsnsion mods and drivetrain mods? And to be honest, the GT isn't as bad a handle as people say.....they just don't understand how a solid axle handles.........different backgrounds maybe.

Here is the thing, you with the 350Z and myself with the GT can pass more cars than we get passed by.......and you can't say that having that kind of torque isn't a good starting place for a modified car.
Old Jan 15, 2004 | 07:55 PM
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Originally posted by Integrity
Races went well. We were about as safe as you can get on the street. Nobody got hurt, ticketed, shot, or arrested. These two cars are very evenly matched. Some races went my way, some went Diablo's way. However, I've got a whole lot of stuff to mess with him about... but I'll let him post up his side of the story before I start giving him a hard time.

Nice meeting you Diablo.
Must be nice to live where there's no snow.

Why do I get the feeling this is thread is about to get wild? I am looking forward to the details.
Old Jan 16, 2004 | 05:53 AM
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Originally posted by Fast-Ford
Why do I get the feeling this is thread is about to get wild? I am looking forward to the details.
It all started with a Civic and a minivan....haha



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