Exactly, racing eliminates all these things that are fussed over in street cars like I've been saying all along.......so what I said about 100 posts ago has finally been concluded. ON THE STREET where factory cars (and their compramises) are raced then factors like revs, weight and so forth become an issue. Race cars in competitive series have similiar weights, and handling characteristics which detirmines race class. Many people are familiar with sports car club racing which has looser restrictions and is more for fun and feature very "streetable" cars. Serious racing classes like SCCA and so on don't have 4 cyls and 8 cyls racing in the same class.......because the 8 cyls run faster.

I will say this again, why in short track racing where you have 3 classes (4cyl, 6cyl, and 8 cyl) why can't the lighter, higher reving, cars make faster lap times than the other classes? The 6 cyls are heavier and aren't supposed to handle as well as the independant suspension in the 4 cyls. But that small handling characteristic of independant suspension doesn't make much difference, nor does the weight (which isn't a lot different).

With the Nascar issue, the cars are very competitive and close. BUT, the winning teams (Hendrick, Roush, Yates) are all teams that have great engine building departments, capable of squeezing more power and torque out of the 358CI displacement restriction. Obviously you need a good pit crew and driver also. When the pro Stock series was ending up here, two of the top guys were posting nearly equal lap times in practice.......untill one guy blew his engine and had to go to a back up. He finished 10th and the guy he was competing so evenly with in practice came 2nd because he was still runing his best engine. Trust me, any advantage under the hood you can get from a good engine is ALWAYS evident on the track.

 

I'm proving a point here. Wanna prove me wrong? Please feel free. Your modded LT1 is faster (or atleast should be faster) than my stock Z. Congratulations. It should be, considering how close they are stock. That doesn't disprove what I'm saying about torque now does it?

However, I'd be more than happy to meet up with you and race. When are you free? Don't worry, I'll tell my roomate you don't want me to borrow his 56ft/lb "beast" to prove you wrong.

 

So if you realize the differences that "revs and weight and so forth" have on cars, why do you continue to make the blanketing statement that "torque wins races?"

 

u shoulda beat the 350z diablo and a supra form a stop will be a good race for you as they pull very low 13's stock and with 1000 in mods pull mid to low 12's. the supras only suck in the quarter if u don't knwo what your doing when you tune them a 700hp supra can make it in the 10's easy you just need to worry about traction ebcause that is one of there major issues get some widre gripper tires as the stock suck and a lsd will do a 700hp in the 10's

 

How about some Supra comedy?
Ok.
What do a 400 HP Supra and a 700 HP Supra have in common?
















12 second timeslips.







Hehe...
But I know better than to try and drop the hammer next to them on the highway. Ouch.

 

i dont know about that

c'mon now maybe you should read up on the s2000 more before you make a statement like that
or any import for that matter

the fact is
with suspension mods and EQUAL HP and TQ my car (92 Prelude) would butcher you on a semi-technical track.
now it might take a turbo or supercharger to have my prelude matching a cobra in HP/weight and so forth but it would not be pretty for you.

you forget that the s2000 is already at a handicap as far as power goes compared to the V8's you are talking about

on a track
set up an even playing field with HP/weight and see who gets mashed. Imports or Domestics

i cant help but wonder what exactly you domestic guys are trying to prove here.

GODDAMN, youve got 4 more cylinders, more than twice the displacement...and now you want to talk about your suspension mods. Dude compared to domestic cars...the Japs wrote the book on handling, i hate to break it to you, maybe you are late to the game or something.

how much does a GT weigh. and how much does a s2000 weigh?
give them even power to weight too, leave it all to suspension, and see who will take the win

if all else is equal (mainly TQ and HP), leaving suspension and driver as the 2 key factors on a course, your domestics get smoked.

~boom

 

lol, i feel ya. those things are mosters on the top end. when i see them run at the track it is almost comical how slow they leave from the line, i mean when they start off you would think it would be a 15 second car but by the tim they cross the 1/4 mile line there trapin well over a 100 and mid 12's.

P.S. thats why ill race em from a stop and pull 5 cars and hit the brakes, act like the race is over,lol. Be like " dude the race was over i had 5 cars there was no way you were gonna catch up" lol

 

my car isnt that far from stock, on the highway you might have chance but down low( i.e. till 100) i would win.


im free on weekdays after 7:30pm(i work all day) and anytime on weekends. we can go from any speed you want as long as it s from at least 10mph roll, my clutch cant take anymore launches and besides i dont want to risk giving you the pleasure of comin on here and saying that "we couldnt race cause his domestic peice of shit broke when the race started". and from a roll is better for you since my car is all down low, the faster we start from the better chance you have. where is ravens town(is ravenstown the same as baltimore)? i live in hyattsville right outside of DC. ill drive preety much any where as long as it is still in maryland( and isnt a 2 hour drive).

 

Well, we'll have to see about that now won't we? However, I think you're right about the highway thing.


I'm originally from Baltimore, born and raised. I actually live closer to you now. I moved to Columbia after I got off of active duty. Perhaps I could meet you at Metro tommorrow or Thursday night?

 

metro isnt even a full 1/4. lets line up on an empty road or something, or just a regular road that doesnt have much traffic on it. but if you wanna race at metro that fine, but not friday or saterday cause racin down there when all those idiots are there isnt my cup of tea. so metro tommorow night? let me know