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Old Jan 12, 2004 | 12:16 PM
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teh new 350z is a high torque no rpm car in the world of imports it only revs to 6 somin. So that would be irrelevent to the questiona long wtih the fact thatyou have more horsepower then taht car complelly denies it fuind a car that has more horsepower then you but less torque like a supra turbo then see what happens
Old Jan 12, 2004 | 12:17 PM
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Originally posted by Diablo
i see you live in maryland, mabye we can meet up and ill show ya just how my 330tq does win races.
p.s. i handed a new 350z its ass up in laural thursday night, it wastn preety.
They are close to a stock LT1, if driven correctly.
I guess you aren't stock, though.
Old Jan 12, 2004 | 12:25 PM
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Originally posted by twin3037
teh new 350z is a high torque no rpm car in the world of imports it only revs to 6 somin. So that would be irrelevent to the questiona long wtih the fact thatyou have more horsepower then taht car complelly denies it fuind a car that has more horsepower then you but less torque like a supra turbo then see what happens
Is that english?
BTW.... Supras are DYNO QUEENS!!!!
BWAHAHAHA!!!!
Old Jan 12, 2004 | 12:40 PM
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They are close to a stock LT1, if driven correctly.
first of all SHUT UP you ls1 driver,lol, j/k

when i was stock i could still have taken one. this one even jumped on me cause i thougfht he didnt wanna race and still relled him in rather quikly. They are just like the s2000's very hard to get good times out of(iin my opinion).


BTW.... Supras are DYNO QUEENS!!!!
that is the truth, its funny how they can dyno 700rwhp and still only run low 11's. they are highway cars to fullest
Old Jan 12, 2004 | 12:46 PM
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Originally posted by Fast-Ford

When the chasis are equally prepared it becomes an engine race, then with horsepower or CI restrictions it becomes a torque race.

Lets try this to take the spin off domestic focus:

Take two Honda race teams runing civics at a short track. Both teams meet the NA restrictions and weight restrictions (face it, in a racing series you won't see a cement truck race a civic so weight isn't as far off as people think) If one team builds a better engine because of their combination that can put out more torque, they will get off the corner faster and be more dominant.

When you have a series with restrictions and equal chasis, it becomes a race to build the best engine with big torque. You simply can not make less torque and win. Then when all cars are on par with torque, the team with the car that sticks to the track the best, and has good luck will win.
You've got it backwards. Torque=force horsepower=power over time. Example: L98 vette vs LT1 vette The cars are geared identically, and car weights are within a few pounds, so it's a good comparison

L98 HP 250 @ 4000 Torque 340 @ 3200
LT1 HP 300 @ 5000 Torque 340 @ 3600

Both "feel" similar but in a drag race, the cars would launch more or less together. The L98 might have a slight advantage due to its peak torque occuring a little earlier in the rev range, but that is debatable, since the LT1 has a wider, flatter curve. From somewhere in the mid range and up, however, the LT1 would begin to pull away. Where the L98 has to shift to second (and throw away torque multiplication for speed), the LT1 still has around another 1000 rpm to go in first, and thus begins to widen its lead, more and more as the speeds climb.

There are numerous examples of this phenomenon. The Integra GS-R, for instance, is faster than the garden variety Integra, not because it pulls particularly harder (it doesn't), but because it pulls *longer*. It doesn't feel particularly faster, but it is.

It is better to make torque at high rpm than at low rpm, because you can take advantage of gearing.

In order to make torque at higher RPM's one needs...........

MORE HORSEPOWER
Old Jan 12, 2004 | 01:11 PM
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Originally posted by Diablo
i see you live in maryland, mabye we can meet up and ill show ya just how my 330tq does win races.

p.s. i handed a new 350z its ass up in laural thursday night, it wastn preety.
I'd be happy to hand you your ass, after I finish modding this thing. However, if you'd still like to race something now with both less torque and weight than you, I know I can set something up. As long as we can video tape it.
Old Jan 12, 2004 | 01:12 PM
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If you want, I'll post the site that the previous came from.

Word for word.
Old Jan 12, 2004 | 03:05 PM
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I'd be happy to hand you your ass, after I finish modding this thing
thats like me saying " ill race you and ill kick your ass, once i get my super charger" run what you brung plain and simple, dont talk about going and getting other cars or friends cars, ive got friends with with high 9 second car yet do i bring them up when i call someone out? nope ill race my 13 second car vs your 13 second car and ill rip you a new one, plain and simple.
Old Jan 12, 2004 | 03:42 PM
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Originally posted by twin3037
teh new 350z is a high torque no rpm car in the world of imports it only revs to 6 somin. So that would be irrelevent to the questiona long wtih the fact thatyou have more horsepower then taht car complelly denies it fuind a car that has more horsepower then you but less torque like a supra turbo then see what happens
maybe it only revs to mid 6's because its a 3.5 liter V6
some honda 4's only rev to 6

there is no rule that says a car has to rev high to make power, it all depends on engine design and dynamics...like rotating mass

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Old Jan 12, 2004 | 07:29 PM
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Originally posted by twin3037
then s2000 slaughters gt's in road courses and is dead even in the quarter mile. it runs better then 2 sec over the gt and that steeda may keep up with the s2000 maybe even im not whole one the car but 2.5 sec over the gt isn't alout the s200 is prolly running near there.

Did u see where jeff gordon and juan pablo montoya switched cars? granted the f1 car is more for handling any day and weighs less but the stock car has over twice the torque of the 1 car and taht f1 car was running 25 sec a lap faster then the wiston cup carthere is a replacment for torque it's called revs and the relationship ebtween revs and torque is horsepower so horsepower is a good predivter of whose going tow in when factored in with weight and transmision

You're talking V10 and V12 engines here. If a V8 winston cup motor can produce more power and torque than that....then that's sad. F1 cars need to rev high because at 200+ miles per hour you need revs to make torque....that makes sense. F1 is about high end where the circuits are faster, NASCAR is about low end torque where they run in one gear and through all rpm levels.

I think you need to do some reasearch on the Steeda Q400 before saying anything more about it.......Steeda is a pro road racing company and the gear they offer for the GT are things like adjustable struts, anti-roll bars and etc. Check out some of their track results (all those first place finishes namely) and then try to figure out what kind of handling I'm talking about.....then try to figure out how an S2000 with ten times less aftermarket support can compete with a car with a fully adjustable road race suspension.



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