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Old Mar 29, 2007 | 09:32 AM
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Originally Posted by Tark
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The birtish need to sit down and discuss about this. they cna't just take the side of "we did nothing wrong release the soldiers or we will force you to".

Also Iran can't just take the side of "yadmti to have violated the law and we will release them" they both need to calm down and look at the fact and information from both sides.
Normally, if the facts weren't so clear-cut, I'd agree to having discussions to find a middle ground. But when almost every source points to the UK sailors being in the proper location (All the Brittish gov't GPS coordinates, the coordinates given by the Indian freighter, and the first set of coordinates given by Iran) except for the REVISED coordinated given by the Iranian government, this paints a very clear case. This is about as cut-and-dry as you can get, and the only thing Tehran's trying to do is to get the British gov't to admit they're wrong to springboard a new propaganda machine. Iran's probably just realized that they've gone in over their heads right now, and I think that's why they're playing the politics they are...
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Old Mar 29, 2007 | 09:32 AM
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Originally Posted by rebeld
the problem with your statement is it will never happen.

they still havent officially resolved the last time iran made the claim and took UK soldiers prisoner. theres no definite way to prove who is right and who is wrong...

and the biggest thing, even if the UK had undeniable non-arguable evidence, Iran would still say its all fabricated lies. The best and worst thing about iran is they dont back down, even when its obvious they are wrong or its the best thing to do in regards to world politics. The ayatolla is never wrong in irans beliefs, and to say they were wrong to seize the soldiers would be to say the govt and in implication the supreme leader were wrong. and thats unfathomable to them

This is very true...
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Old Mar 29, 2007 | 09:33 AM
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Originally Posted by Tark
yes this seams like the logical thing to do.
Yes it is. Now please stop leghumping Iran.
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Old Mar 29, 2007 | 09:35 AM
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Originally Posted by Tark
Even with the soldiers detained by iran the british dont want to discuss the supposed border violation. what will make them dicuss it seriously after the release?
tark, seriosly what more can they discuss? the UK released photos, gps coordinates that show where their troops where.

Iran says those are incorrect and say here is where they really were.

not a whole lot you can discuss past that.

for starters, the region in debate is a very loose line anyways...there is no 100% defined border line and noone ever really knows where the line is when they are there. So each side can be positive they are right and noone will ever know.

the only thing to do here is release the troops then figure out a way to make the border more defined so as not to have to worry about conflicting border lines in the future. nothing is to be gained from keeping the troops imprisoned and arguing this. why not figure out how to keep these arguments from happening again.
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Old Mar 29, 2007 | 09:40 AM
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Originally Posted by rebeld
tark, seriosly what more can they discuss? the UK released photos, gps coordinates that show where their troops where.

Iran says those are incorrect and say here is where they really were.

not a whole lot you can discuss past that.

for starters, the region in debate is a very loose line anyways...there is no 100% defined border line and noone ever really knows where the line is when they are there. So each side can be positive they are right and noone will ever know.

the only thing to do here is release the troops then figure out a way to make the border more defined so as not to have to worry about conflicting border lines in the future. nothing is to be gained from keeping the troops imprisoned and arguing this. why not figure out how to keep these arguments from happening again.
I agree with you 100%. but i am pretty sure that if Iran just releases the soldier the british wont sit and finish this dicussion....
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Old Mar 29, 2007 | 09:46 AM
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Nothing says "discussion over" like 100 cruise missiles flying into Iran.
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Old Mar 29, 2007 | 09:46 AM
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Originally Posted by Tark
I agree with you 100%. but i am pretty sure that if Iran just releases the soldier the british wont sit and finish this dicussion....
honestly can you blame them? all logic points to them being right

i agree something needs to be done, not about this particular case, but about the border issues in general. but it never will because again iran refuses to understand the simple concept of comprimise

with them its their way or fuck u all
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Old Mar 29, 2007 | 09:47 AM
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Originally Posted by DakarM
my point exactly. right now the only thing left to "talk about" is when they are going to release the "prisoners" there is nothing else to talk about.
And then when they keep holding the prisoners or start killing them, the talks will shift to what bombs and where.

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Old Mar 29, 2007 | 09:47 AM
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Originally Posted by Tark
I agree with you 100%. but i am pretty sure that if Iran just releases the soldier the british wont sit and finish this dicussion....
You can't allow kidnappings and what's almost an act of war to be justified barganing technicques.
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Old Mar 29, 2007 | 09:49 AM
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Originally Posted by Epoch
You can't allow kidnappings and what's almost an act of war to be justified barganing technicques.
Werd. I'm sure that even IF, IF the Brits were in Iranian waters, the Iranians didn't give them any kind of warning or a chance to leave...they just captured them.
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