what is there to talk about? as far as i know iran wants UK to say they were in iranian waters. UK knows they were not.

so what's left? they want the nuclear inspections to stop? that's the UN not UK.

 

this is the second time iran has played this game with the UK. the first time the point where the soldiers were was fuzzy so the UK neither admits or denies the troops were in iran waters that time.

This time all word from the UK govt is that unlike before this time they are positive the troops were in iraqi water by 1.5 miles. they had gps positioning readouts as well as pictures of helicopter flyovers of the anchored ship the troops were inspecting with gps units in the picture marking location.

the UK has given exact coordinates of the troops positions, not just images and assurances.

Iran immediatly released their own coordinates that when checked actually put the soldiers still inside Iraqi waters. as big a fiasco this is, you think iran would be positive about coordinates they releases.

i agree this will doubtfully see force of any sort, i have yet to hear a third party support iran in this situation. what it will do is result in stricter sanctions against iran, not directly, but this situation will linger in the mind of UN security council members.

 

i know that, but the UK needs to sit down with them... I dont think the UK is in a position to start an other war. i dont think the want to either.

 

the UK is trying to talk, they have had the iranian representatives sit down with them but all iran says is the troops were trespassing and until the UK admits they were wrong, noones going anywhere. Iran wont let UK embassy workers see the soldiers, nor have they yet let third party countries see the soldiers.

its a power game.

These soldiers were captured and are being held by the most fanatical members of the Iranian Government. they arent controlled by anyone but the grand ayatolla. to me that says this was a pre-planned abduction

 

Tark, the UK is trying to talk. Iran is the one not talking. Every important member of the British govt has been in the news as trying to make contact and have successful talks with Iranian govt officials, but they all say the same thing....

This is all on Iran right now,

 

Ok but the Iranian are saying the the vessels come into iranian water 6 TIMES. we arent talking just 1 incident here we are tlaking 6 fucking time. That is more then just a bluff dude. it's like puffy saying he doens't own just 1 4door NSX but 3.

I dont know what happened, but the UK need to sit down and this should be resolved.

 

my point exactly. right now the only thing left to "talk about" is when they are going to release the "prisoners" there is nothing else to talk about.

 

really? i must've misread something I was under the impression that it was the British that wasn't talking

 

Yeah, the British said they weren't having sit downs...

Cause I gurantee if they had a sitdown, it would be to talk about something else not the 15

 

the problem with that is its "the iranians saying". im sorry but their history does not justify that their comments and "facts" be taken truthfully. they shot themselves in the foot with this one.

Even if they are right, they are so highly untrusted and alienated themselves from the rest of the world that no-one will ever listen to them with credibility.

this is going to be a he says vs she says type conflict. but in these types of confrontations common sense dictates you listen to the person who has the most credibility, in this case the UK. Iran lost this argument the minute it began simply because they didnt provide undisputable proof the instant it happened and they have no concrete proof at this moment. Does the UK? no not really, but their evidence combined with their international credibility means the general population is going to believe them before iran.

in terms of contact, every article ive read refers to some british ambassador or politician making reference to a iranian counterpart that they contacted and were told the same thing, apologize and say your wrong and we let them go.

and as for the british having sitdowns? why? every time the iranian govt releases a statement, its apologize and then we let them go. Iran is notorious for being hardline and not moving, just look at the whole nuclear issue...so britian either waits it out or they apologize. and i doubt they apologize...hell i know i wouldnt if i knew i was right