Yeah Iraq was a huge mistake.....I could deal with Afghanistan, but now we're in too deep

 

let's blow up tehran i say :crazyr:

 

soldiers can't be citizens?
I think the western world is showing more than enough patience. Tehran still stands.

I'm so glad Tark doesn't run things in this world.

 

yeah i got citizen and civilian mixed

and i am glad every one who said just go to war with iran doesnt run the world...

 

Iran kidnaps UK soldiers and Iran demands concessions from the UK. I'm pretty sure the UK also has a policy of non-negotiation with terrorists, kidnappers, etc. If the UK shows that kidnapping can bring the UK to the discussion table, its justifying kidnapping soldiers as a valid political strategy instead of an act of war.

Just because you're sitting all comfy and cozy up in Canada does not mean that you're not also in danger here.

Right now, I'd be sending missle strikes to their military installations, especially their SA-21s, and special ops to extract the British and take out the Ayatollah. Too bad the CIA isn't allowed to assassinate anymore :wtc:.

Not that I want war, but I can't wait until Israel loses its temper and patience. Unlike the United States, Israel does not do anything half-assed.

 

if the uk really wanted the troops back

why don't they just send (Jesse Jackson) over to get them :dunno:

ftw

 

If the British were Iranian waters, they are not obligated to give warships any warnings. The US Coast Guard boards ships all the time, and at any time they can seize the ship (especially if it's one flying under the flag of an enemy nation), not to even mention warships. Neither side has really definitively (nor can they really) prove who was where, and clearly, neither is going to convince the other, so this is all moot at this point.

The British aren't exactly compromising either (at least not at this point). They want everyone back with no concessions. Ultimately, though, there will be concessions from both sides because neither side really wants to see this escalate.

Not enough arable land in this country to supply energy and feed the population. Add on to that that without cycling of crops, the arable land will soon become unarable. 15% ethanol is a maybe, but we're still heavily relying on petroleum.

If the captives are in Tehran, then best of luck to them. Just like in 1979, there's no easy way into or out of Tehran. Plus, any mission wouldn't happen for months at least, as the SAS would need to gather intelligence, draw up a plan, and train for their scenario.

 

You can't really say the Iranian government is a bunch of terrorist. They may fund terrorists, they may be crazy, but they are a sovereign nation, and playing devils advocate, if the British were in Iranian waters, the Iranian have not kidnapped, but detained citizens of another country. No different than US Coast Guard detaining Cubans in Florida.

Striking now is the exact wrong thing to do. This story gives the extremists power and airtime. You start blowing up stuff in Iran, and the extremist gain substatially more voice in the government making Iran more dangerous and unpredictable. What the British need to do is appeal to moderate factions to temper the extremists. Ultimately, that's what got the hostages out in 1979 and in 2004. Military action, especially so early in the game is more likely to get them all executed than save them.

 

If the vesel was in Iranian waters then they have a right to detain these soldiers. I know it sucks but it's true. How does detaining UK soldiers that tresspasses in iranian water be a act of war? (keep in mind that we dont know what heppened)

I dont think i ever said that i felt safe here in Canada... We are talking about the British here.

And for the rest of your :blah: :blah: who the fuck feels safe? you are saying you can't wait till a war break out in the middle east and accuse me of having a false sense of safety? I dont think you understand the impact of israel getting involved in this situation....