10 years for shooting illegal alien smuggling drugs
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We're America. We should be a model country. People that come here legally or illegally have rights, and abridging those right IS unamerican. Though, just because you have rights DOES NOT mean you can break laws and run from officers. Put an american citizen in the same situation and I would still not find the border agents guilty (in my armchair assesment)
I'm not attempting to mitigate or dissolve the alien's crimes. I'm just trying to say that kneejerk reactions like "ILLEGAL Shoot them!" are counterproductive. I think the officers should be pardoned/reinstated, and the immigrant extradited to Mexico (jailing here costs too much money).
I'm not attempting to mitigate or dissolve the alien's crimes. I'm just trying to say that kneejerk reactions like "ILLEGAL Shoot them!" are counterproductive. I think the officers should be pardoned/reinstated, and the immigrant extradited to Mexico (jailing here costs too much money).
I guarantee it would slow illegal traffic across the border by 80% in less than a year if they took the hardline stance.
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We're America. We should be a model country. People that come here legally or illegally have rights, and abridging those right IS unamerican. Though, just because you have rights DOES NOT mean you can break laws and run from officers. Put an american citizen in the same situation and I would still not find the border agents guilty (in my armchair assesment)
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I disagree wholeheartedly, in fact my idea if I were in charge of the border security would be to install 50cal turrets every 1/4 mile and create a well marked zone on the US side that was about a half mile entry into the US from Mexico. The turrets could be manned with a combination of border agents and people who would pay a fee to sit at the turrets for a week at a time for $1200 a person and gun down anything that enters that zone. Men women and children all entering illegaly would be terminated regardless and the bodies would be left to rot. It would not be cruel or inhuman, instead it would be a plainly marked threat of death if a person enters this area and parents being responsible for their children should take that into consideration.
I guarantee it would slow illegal traffic across the border by 80% in less than a year if they took the hardline stance.
I guarantee it would slow illegal traffic across the border by 80% in less than a year if they took the hardline stance.
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Then this would turn into an open border and how are we to know who we are letting in are truly who they say they are? I mean I could lie and create false documents in another country far easier than in America. Furthermore what would stop a person from staying for more than 30 days? There's no way to hold their location accountable unless you put personal locators on their bodies ala small GPS chips.
The issue is that to be able to work in the US, a person must have an H1 visa which is pretty hard to get. Most of the work illegals do are seasonal jobs anyway. A person could get a temporary work permit visa (for, say 3 months every 1/2 year) at a US embassy prior to crossing the border, have DHS do their usual visa background check, and then be allowed to work in this country for 3 months. The federal gov't gets income taxes, workers are documented and whereabouts better known, and, most importantly, there isn't this illegal immigrant underground culture.
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I disagree wholeheartedly, in fact my idea if I were in charge of the border security would be to install 50cal turrets every 1/4 mile and create a well marked zone on the US side that was about a half mile entry into the US from Mexico. The turrets could be manned with a combination of border agents and people who would pay a fee to sit at the turrets for a week at a time for $1200 a person and gun down anything that enters that zone. Men women and children all entering illegaly would be terminated regardless and the bodies would be left to rot. It would not be cruel or inhuman, instead it would be a plainly marked threat of death if a person enters this area and parents being responsible for their children should take that into consideration.
I guarantee it would slow illegal traffic across the border by 80% in less than a year if they took the hardline stance.
I guarantee it would slow illegal traffic across the border by 80% in less than a year if they took the hardline stance.
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As far as I'm concerned, our border already is open if we have a problem with illegal immigrants.Hence the random inspections of employer's facilities and staff. If an employer is caught employing a worker with expired docs, there should be huge fines involved. This will deter people from allowing them to continue working without renewing the docs. And as for not renewing their papers, sure, they could still live in the US and not get caught... But who is going to hire them if they run a risk of paying thousands of dollars in fines for having a worker with expired papers. See, it's all covered in the plan.
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That is issue is true at any entry point in the US. When tourists apply for a non-immigrant visa, who's to say they are who they say they are?
The issue is that to be able to work in the US, a person must have an H1 visa which is pretty hard to get. Most of the work illegals do are seasonal jobs anyway. A person could get a temporary work permit visa (for, say 3 months every 1/2 year) at a US embassy prior to crossing the border, have DHS do their usual visa background check, and then be allowed to work in this country for 3 months. The federal gov't gets income taxes, workers are documented and whereabouts better known, and, most importantly, there isn't this illegal immigrant underground culture.
The issue is that to be able to work in the US, a person must have an H1 visa which is pretty hard to get. Most of the work illegals do are seasonal jobs anyway. A person could get a temporary work permit visa (for, say 3 months every 1/2 year) at a US embassy prior to crossing the border, have DHS do their usual visa background check, and then be allowed to work in this country for 3 months. The federal gov't gets income taxes, workers are documented and whereabouts better known, and, most importantly, there isn't this illegal immigrant underground culture.
