91-01' Acura Integra GSR vs. 95-99 Eclipse GS-T
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Originally Posted by 98spydert
Hmmm... well I'm a little biased on which car I like better... 
But in a straight line;
stock for stock: GS-T
Equal amounts of money into each: GS-T
Handling: I've never owned an Integra so I can't say for sure. I did own two CRX HFs with B16 swaps while I was in college. Those cars with springs/shocks stut bars and 215/40/16 tires didn't handle as good as my spyder did stock with a good tire(G-Force on stock 16 wheels), granted the spyder GS-T does have a stiffer sub-frame than the hard top GS-T. I can't honestly compair the integra as far as handling though.
I think the initial question was which would win in a straight line and the GS-T would dominate.
As for the "Damn i have to tune again" sub topic. That comment comes from the Apexi SAFC users only(which are most DSMers). Maf-Translator (me), VPC, DSMLink, AEM, and other standalone users don't have this problem unless they make large changes like turbo swaps.
I don't feel like explaining the reasons but if any one here knows the reasons behind the Kv style MAS + SAFC tps/rpm point tuning method needing adjustment with different temperature(density hint hint) air, feel free to school some people and squash some reliability myths.
But in a straight line;
stock for stock: GS-T
Equal amounts of money into each: GS-T
Handling: I've never owned an Integra so I can't say for sure. I did own two CRX HFs with B16 swaps while I was in college. Those cars with springs/shocks stut bars and 215/40/16 tires didn't handle as good as my spyder did stock with a good tire(G-Force on stock 16 wheels), granted the spyder GS-T does have a stiffer sub-frame than the hard top GS-T. I can't honestly compair the integra as far as handling though.
I think the initial question was which would win in a straight line and the GS-T would dominate.
As for the "Damn i have to tune again" sub topic. That comment comes from the Apexi SAFC users only(which are most DSMers). Maf-Translator (me
), VPC, DSMLink, AEM, and other standalone users don't have this problem unless they make large changes like turbo swaps.I don't feel like explaining the reasons but if any one here knows the reasons behind the Kv style MAS + SAFC tps/rpm point tuning method needing adjustment with different temperature(density hint hint) air, feel free to school some people and squash some reliability myths.
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I've driven a few GS-Rs and I'm not saying they're work trucks or anything, but I wasn't overly impressed. I've never owned one so I don't realy think I can pass judgment on them though.
I haven't had the pleasure to drive a Type R, which I hear is leaps and bounds above the GS-R as far as handling. I do have a local here who has about 3000 bones into his Type R and is not even breaking 200whp after being dyno tuned by a local shop. It's not getto rigged and has a good list of top of the line parts. $3000 into a GSX will put you into the low 13s, high 12s . <-- not flaming, so please take no offence. I just don't think Honda's and DSMs are in the same straight line class.
I haven't had the pleasure to drive a Type R, which I hear is leaps and bounds above the GS-R as far as handling. I do have a local here who has about 3000 bones into his Type R and is not even breaking 200whp after being dyno tuned by a local shop. It's not getto rigged and has a good list of top of the line parts. $3000 into a GSX will put you into the low 13s, high 12s . <-- not flaming, so please take no offence. I just don't think Honda's and DSMs are in the same straight line class.
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Originally Posted by 98spydert
I've driven a few GS-Rs and I'm not saying they're work trucks or anything, but I wasn't overly impressed. I've never owned one so I don't realy think I can pass judgment on them though.
I haven't had the pleasure to drive a Type R, which I hear is leaps and bounds above the GS-R as far as handling. I do have a local here who has about 3000 bones into his Type R and is not even breaking 200whp after being dyno tuned by a local shop. It's not getto rigged and has a good list of top of the line parts. $3000 into a GSX will put you into the low 13s, high 12s . <-- not flaming, so please take no offence. I just don't think Honda's and DSMs are in the same straight line class.
I haven't had the pleasure to drive a Type R, which I hear is leaps and bounds above the GS-R as far as handling. I do have a local here who has about 3000 bones into his Type R and is not even breaking 200whp after being dyno tuned by a local shop. It's not getto rigged and has a good list of top of the line parts. $3000 into a GSX will put you into the low 13s, high 12s . <-- not flaming, so please take no offence. I just don't think Honda's and DSMs are in the same straight line class.
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$3k into an ITR with "top of the line" brands and not breaking 200whp means he's getting parts for the sake of name-bragging. ie: a $1000 titanium superlight weight race magnesium color changing jdm jtcc tested exhaust is not going to give him even 30hp...but already ate 30% of the budget.
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Originally Posted by DB7 2.0
$3k into an ITR with "top of the line" brands and not breaking 200whp means he's getting parts for the sake of name-bragging. ie: a $1000 titanium superlight weight race magnesium color changing jdm jtcc tested exhaust is not going to give him even 30hp...but already ate 30% of the budget.
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3K wasn't just the engine mods for the record.
Here's the mod list for engine parts:
AEM cold air intake
Apexi VAFC
DC 4-1 header
Golden Eagle cam seal
Greddy EVOII catback exhaust
Hondata intake manifold gasket
NGK "blue" plug wires
NGK Iridium plugs
OBD2b-OBD2b harness with VAFC harness attached 10
Skunk2 cam gears
Skunk2 Intake manifold
Skunk2 Stage 2 cams
Skunk2 valve springs
Toda timing belt
Edit: some of that crap isn't going to make power i.e. cam seal
It's just cut+paste.
Here's the mod list for engine parts:
AEM cold air intake
Apexi VAFC
DC 4-1 header
Golden Eagle cam seal
Greddy EVOII catback exhaust
Hondata intake manifold gasket
NGK "blue" plug wires
NGK Iridium plugs
OBD2b-OBD2b harness with VAFC harness attached 10
Skunk2 cam gears
Skunk2 Intake manifold
Skunk2 Stage 2 cams
Skunk2 valve springs
Toda timing belt
Edit: some of that crap isn't going to make power i.e. cam seal
It's just cut+paste.