Canadian seal slaughtering
Originally Posted by Sadiztik-R
Sorry dude, I never worked at a mink farm but I did work at a Turkey Plant and that doesnt compare.
I have been in the John Morrell plant several times and thats something else.
The pigs are hung upside down and there throats are slit. If you ever heard a pig sqeal its not something you want to hear, when there throats are slit its worse. If riggle and try to get free, its bad when one fall cus you have to hook it back on and they are very heavy and will kick. The blood is drained into tanks and go somewhere( I think to get processed with feed). But the guys who do it everyday, dont mind. They get paid very well.
I have been in the John Morrell plant several times and thats something else.
The pigs are hung upside down and there throats are slit. If you ever heard a pig sqeal its not something you want to hear, when there throats are slit its worse. If riggle and try to get free, its bad when one fall cus you have to hook it back on and they are very heavy and will kick. The blood is drained into tanks and go somewhere( I think to get processed with feed). But the guys who do it everyday, dont mind. They get paid very well.
Now remember the cow is very rarely ever dead when the hook comes up so the cow is still moving etc. when the first knife slits them down the belly opening the from tits to clit (pardon the expression) and their insides are exposed.
I worked there for 2 years and never thought twice about it but if you wanna talk humane then start looking at your home turf first...I guess thats kinda my point here. We justify beef and pork as well as chicken slaughter but if 90% of people had to see it from start to finish they would be appalled and probably never touch a hamburger or chicken nugget again.
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Originally Posted by Nightshade
We justify beef and pork as well as chicken slaughter but if 90% of people had to see it from start to finish they would be appalled and probably never touch a hamburger or chicken nugget again.
True, thats why so few people do it, and why more humane way of doing are in use. Humane as in Humans are not involved.
Originally Posted by Nightshade
Dude seriously use some tact once in a while.
I don't mean any of my comments as shock value at all but not being there and not in those circumstances no one can make the call of what they would do. These people live in remote parts of the country and jobs are just not available.
I worked for a farm and skinned mink for a living for several months. It stank and it was not pretty at all but it was what I had to do to make money so I did it. The second I got a different job offer I was out of there that day. Although the other job payed much less, I had no moral objections to it.
If you could see how they kill off mink to get the fur you would be twice as shocked as this. They gas them en masse...you ever watched something suffocate besides a fish? Screaming and writhing and sometimes biting each other while gasping for air....it isn't pretty at all but it pays damn good money.
I don't mean any of my comments as shock value at all but not being there and not in those circumstances no one can make the call of what they would do. These people live in remote parts of the country and jobs are just not available.
I worked for a farm and skinned mink for a living for several months. It stank and it was not pretty at all but it was what I had to do to make money so I did it. The second I got a different job offer I was out of there that day. Although the other job payed much less, I had no moral objections to it.
If you could see how they kill off mink to get the fur you would be twice as shocked as this. They gas them en masse...you ever watched something suffocate besides a fish? Screaming and writhing and sometimes biting each other while gasping for air....it isn't pretty at all but it pays damn good money.
you know what its like and how those circumstances can be tough. I on the other hand, do not know first hand what it would be like, so i am still held to my own personal opinion, which some may disagree with, but its how i was raised and what i believe to be right and wrong.
i understand what you mean about families being fed and money to be made, i still just cant justify killing a helpless animal like that, even for the money. Id go hungry for the few days that the hunters are out there before i would brutally kill it with a club. hell i cant even hit a fish over the head when i go fishing, go figure. ive always had a soft side for animals and these types of things make me very agrivated. but see it that the familes that live in those communities struggle and need those jobs to survive and live day to day with the food and money, i can understand that.
Originally Posted by EJcivic02
i applaud you. youre one of the few that can see both sides of it and are not narrowminded about issues such as this.
you know what its like and how those circumstances can be tough. I on the other hand, do not know first hand what it would be like, so i am still held to my own personal opinion, which some may disagree with, but its how i was raised and what i believe to be right and wrong.
i understand what you mean about families being fed and money to be made, i still just cant justify killing a helpless animal like that, even for the money. Id go hungry for the few days that the hunters are out there before i would brutally kill it with a club. hell i cant even hit a fish over the head when i go fishing, go figure. ive always had a soft side for animals and these types of things make me very agrivated. but see it that the familes that live in those communities struggle and need those jobs to survive and live day to day with the food and money, i can understand that.
you know what its like and how those circumstances can be tough. I on the other hand, do not know first hand what it would be like, so i am still held to my own personal opinion, which some may disagree with, but its how i was raised and what i believe to be right and wrong.
i understand what you mean about families being fed and money to be made, i still just cant justify killing a helpless animal like that, even for the money. Id go hungry for the few days that the hunters are out there before i would brutally kill it with a club. hell i cant even hit a fish over the head when i go fishing, go figure. ive always had a soft side for animals and these types of things make me very agrivated. but see it that the familes that live in those communities struggle and need those jobs to survive and live day to day with the food and money, i can understand that.
One thing I noticed in your post though is the degree of brutality you are capable of.
You say you are unable to hit a fish over the head when you go fishing. So instead of putting it out quickly and "humanely" you let it suffocate instead

You see what I am getting at here? you are al for the killing and eating of the fish but you will allow it to suffer to a degree instead of just putting it out.
Not trying to flame but just trying to make a point on the degree with which we can justify our own actions
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Originally Posted by Nightshade
Thank you for your kind comments.
One thing I noticed in your post though is the degree of brutality you are capable of.
You say you are unable to hit a fish over the head when you go fishing. So instead of putting it out quickly and "humanely" you let it suffocate instead
You see what I am getting at here? you are al for the killing and eating of the fish but you will allow it to suffer to a degree instead of just putting it out.
Not trying to flame but just trying to make a point on the degree with which we can justify our own actions
One thing I noticed in your post though is the degree of brutality you are capable of.
You say you are unable to hit a fish over the head when you go fishing. So instead of putting it out quickly and "humanely" you let it suffocate instead

You see what I am getting at here? you are al for the killing and eating of the fish but you will allow it to suffer to a degree instead of just putting it out.
Not trying to flame but just trying to make a point on the degree with which we can justify our own actions

h: im not a brutle person, and so i cant see how cracking some helpless seal over the head with a hook and bat is in any way, justifyable. its pointless for me to try to get this...im helpless when it comes to this type of stuff.
Originally Posted by CiviChik97
i dont even like letting a fish bite a hook :happysad: im so weak when it comes to hurting animals. if i thought about how the food i eat, got to be in front of me..i'd never eat anything...honestly. i stopped eating chicken for awhile, as i did with beef. i gagged everytime i touched it. but i had to get over it..because i was starting to lose weight
h: im not a brutle person, and so i cant see how cracking some helpless seal over the head with a hook and bat is in any way, justifyable.
its pointless for me to try to get this...im helpless when it comes to this type of stuff.
h: im not a brutle person, and so i cant see how cracking some helpless seal over the head with a hook and bat is in any way, justifyable. its pointless for me to try to get this...im helpless when it comes to this type of stuff.
I wasn't trying to justify so much as trying to get everyone who was condemming their way of life to take another view of it and try to understand why they are doing it. Their economy in the northernmost areas are slow and the fish population is dwindling due to over fishing and also the seal population so it is a form of natural selection much like deer and elk hunting are.
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Originally Posted by Nightshade
I understand what your saying and this is exactly the reason why we have those who do it and those who prefer not to. Just like with hunting...some go hunting and some don't. Relistically hunting is outdated and unnecessary since we can buy meat in stores and we can also buy deer, elk, buffalo etc. all from stores.
I wasn't trying to justify so much as trying to get everyone who was condemming their way of life to take another view of it and try to understand why they are doing it. Their economy in the northernmost areas are slow and the fish population is dwindling due to over fishing and also the seal population so it is a form of natural selection much like deer and elk hunting are.
I wasn't trying to justify so much as trying to get everyone who was condemming their way of life to take another view of it and try to understand why they are doing it. Their economy in the northernmost areas are slow and the fish population is dwindling due to over fishing and also the seal population so it is a form of natural selection much like deer and elk hunting are.
bu..bu...nut theyre soooo cuuuuuute!
deer hunting in my neck of the woods is done for population control...not for the meat. :dunno:
Originally Posted by CiviChik97
bu..bu...nut theyre soooo cuuuuuute!
deer hunting in my neck of the woods is done for population control...not for the meat. :dunno:
deer hunting in my neck of the woods is done for population control...not for the meat. :dunno:

Deer hunting permits is done for poulation control in all areas of the country. They take a general count of deer then balance that against other factors and allow permits according to some mathematical standard formula they use and voila...thats how many permits they are allowed to issue
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Originally Posted by Nightshade
Thank you for your kind comments.
One thing I noticed in your post though is the degree of brutality you are capable of.
You say you are unable to hit a fish over the head when you go fishing. So instead of putting it out quickly and "humanely" you let it suffocate instead
You see what I am getting at here? you are al for the killing and eating of the fish but you will allow it to suffer to a degree instead of just putting it out.
Not trying to flame but just trying to make a point on the degree with which we can justify our own actions
One thing I noticed in your post though is the degree of brutality you are capable of.
You say you are unable to hit a fish over the head when you go fishing. So instead of putting it out quickly and "humanely" you let it suffocate instead

You see what I am getting at here? you are al for the killing and eating of the fish but you will allow it to suffer to a degree instead of just putting it out.
Not trying to flame but just trying to make a point on the degree with which we can justify our own actions

in all seriousness, i know what you mean. Im willing to eat the food that another person will take the time to kill, i just dont want to kill it. Selfish and lazy? maybe, but thats how i was brought up. never been hunting, never any stories about my dad or grandpas hunting, and i dont plan on going either.
more than likely when i go fishing, i never keep any because i dont care too much for fish (unless its smoked salmon that grandma caught)
h:
Originally Posted by EJcivic02
:nono: catch and release buddy
Of course the scarring of an animal....anyways yeah I see what you mean too.
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