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Old Dec 7, 2003 | 09:23 AM
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Well first you have to cut the intake pipe and you put the bypass valve in between the two pieces and the bypass valve is just a little piece of foam really and allows water to evaporate before it gets to the engine.
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Old Dec 7, 2003 | 07:06 PM
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ehh. wrong. hydro lock can only happen when one thing happens. Your intake sux up ALOT of water, as it is completely submerged in it. Think of it this way, what are your pistons doing, compressing air and gas. Well, if you fill up that entire space with water, well, guess what, BOOM. Water is extremelly hard to compress, and our simple metals cant handle the stress of trying to compress water, so pistons snap, spin around, poking holes in the engine block.

A bypass valve is exactly what it says it is, its a valve, or a series of them. The foam on the valve acts as a filter, not to absorb water and allow it to evaporate. Underneath the foam there are rubber valves that open when there is a certain amount of pressure, such as water being sucked up through the air filter and into the intake. Water is more dense than air, its harder for the intake to suck the water up, so boom, the valves open, let non saturated air in, and the water falls out the bottom. Wow rocket science is amazing.

Its worth getting a bypass valve, screw the few horsepower you loose from it, you wont feel a difference anyway. Yes, the chances of you running into a big puddle are small, but there still there. I used to say the same thing. "It never rains that hard here in GA. Theres never any big puddles." Well 3 months of lots of hard work in my girlfriends basement (mostly waiting for parts), a new motor, and almost 2 grand later, i've changed my thinking. But hey, at least it got my girlfriend into cars more, since she watched me do all the work. Now shes got plenty of aftermarket parts on her integra and now shes given me a budget to build her a turbo kit. So for me, besides the frustration and long hours, it was kinda worth it. But I don't think many others have been so lucky.

In short, get a bypass valve, its kinda like a condom and most of the people on this board: The oppurtunity to use one does not arise much, but when it does and its not there, your screwed, or lack there of in this puns case.
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Old Dec 7, 2003 | 08:50 PM
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i prefer the aem short pipe intake (the torque pipe)

it may be more subject to warm engine air
but it develops more torque
and i think torque is more important in a race than HP

i have had both a CAI and a short pipe
and i noticed a big difference in throttle response, top end, launch, etc.

imo the CAI is only useful for adding like 3mph to your top speed.

the differences in throttle response are like night and day between the 2 intakes, the CAI has an extra 18 inches to 2 feet of length and on a NA motor that adds noticable restriction.

like i said ive tested both and settled on the short ram pipe over the CAI.

the CAI is only better for above 70mph, and the difference is almost invisible. however the quickness and extra torque you get with the short pipe is very dramatic.

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Old Dec 8, 2003 | 01:34 PM
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short pipe is sounding like the way to go.
Torque is better than a few extra miles per hour on the top end.
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Old Dec 8, 2003 | 07:37 PM
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Yea all depends on what kinda gains u want. Short rams always good too.
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Old Dec 8, 2003 | 11:28 PM
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Originally posted by Pelka
True, id go with the AEM CAI...
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Old Jan 19, 2004 | 05:43 AM
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I don't drive a Honda or Acura, but I cam across this post on a search for dyno results. It seems you guys are extremely misinformed on how to make power. Cold Air Intakes give help give you torque. Air has mass, which has inertia. As air enters a cold-air intake, it has inertia..it wants to keep moving into the cylinder because of all the air pushing behind it. This is great for low RPM power, but at higher engine speeds, it just causes too much restriction. At high RPM, your car is a big vacuum, sucking in a whole lot of air. This is where a short, thick intake helps. You want velocity here, not inertia. It's a fact that longer, thinnner tubing helps torque, shorter fatter tubing helps high RPM power. Same goes for exhaust(mostly). All you guys who think your Cold Air Intake is making your car faster, well, it's just an illusion. Your low-rpm power may be up(say, 1500-4000 rpm)...so that when you hit the gas when cruising around 3000rpm, you will have more throttle response, more torque and it'll feel faster. But who cares? You drive a Honda...trying to make torque out of a honda is like trying to teach a redneck to read...it just ain't gonna happen. If you don't believe me, here's all the info you need:

Short Rams
http://www.tprmag.com/issue/1/sr-results.shtml

Cold Airs
http://www.tprmag.com/issue/1/ca-results.shtml
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Old Jan 19, 2004 | 03:01 PM
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actually, i dont believe you
most of us have already seen that tpr article, and it really doesnt make your case anyway, so it doesnt do much except make for good reading and informed buying.

the honda torque stereotype really doesnt mean much either, since torque is very closely related to engine displacement.

how much TQ does your protege make?

honda's are some of the faster cars out on the road today...
you got the rsx-s shitting on the celica gts and sentra spec V
the s2000 lays the smack on some of the late model domestic's (not all of course)

and then you got me shitting on the brand new rx-8 with my 92 prelude, totally NA, with no TQ and stock exhaust
hey how bout that

how much TQ does the rx-8 make ???? :fawk:

think before you say something stupid :whip:

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Old Jan 19, 2004 | 04:47 PM
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LOL...it's pretty funny that somehow you thought I was dissing Honda. I understand what Hondas can do and are capable of, and that they build reliable cars with good engines. The fact that you don't believe what I say about intakes, means you know absolutely nothing about cars or how to make power.

I don't give a rat's ass about torque either. My Protege only has 114 lb/ft and has a fuel cut-off of 7500rpm. The RX-8 would smoke any STOCK Prelude...compare apples to apples if you're going to bring up an arguement like that. And when the Mazdaspeed RX-8 comes out, it'll smoke the S2000 too(they're pretty evenly matched as it is).

Everyone has brand loyalty for different reasons, and as much as I like Honda, and realize the aftermarket potential, everyone and their grandma has one(literally). Mazdas are overlooked, reliable cars, with superior handling. And my Protege GT, with it's 125hp can smoke any factory civic this side of the 97ish Si's. (I've run 16.3@84) The new Si is a total joke. I've got 35 less horsepower, but I'm faster.....

The bottom end of the BP1.8 is capable of 400hp without problems(the J-spec GT-R has 210hp), so it's not like Honda is the only good engine maker out there.

You're right, torque is COMPLETELY related to engine displacement. Good for you. Too bad it's all you seem to know about engines.

And as for Domestics...they're frikkin pieces of horse shit. I would never buy and American if my life depended on it. America screws up cars, like we're screwing up the planet....
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Old Jan 19, 2004 | 06:12 PM
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Originally posted by Gen1GT
...I don't give a rat's ass about torque either. My Protege only has 114 lb/ft and has a fuel cut-off of 7500rpm. The RX-8 would smoke any STOCK Prelude...compare apples to apples if you're going to bring up an arguement like that.
Uhh dude Boom knows what hes talkin about check out some of his vids. His Lude is quick. My bro has an RX8, drove it. Id say a H22 Lude could own a RX8.
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