LOL...it's pretty funny that somehow you thought I was dissing Honda. I understand what Hondas can do and are capable of, and that they build reliable cars with good engines. The fact that you don't believe what I say about intakes, means you know absolutely nothing about cars or how to make power.

I don't give a rat's ass about torque either. My Protege only has 114 lb/ft and has a fuel cut-off of 7500rpm. The RX-8 would smoke any STOCK Prelude...compare apples to apples if you're going to bring up an arguement like that. And when the Mazdaspeed RX-8 comes out, it'll smoke the S2000 too(they're pretty evenly matched as it is).

Everyone has brand loyalty for different reasons, and as much as I like Honda, and realize the aftermarket potential, everyone and their grandma has one(literally). Mazdas are overlooked, reliable cars, with superior handling. And my Protege GT, with it's 125hp can smoke any factory civic this side of the 97ish Si's. (I've run 16.3@84) The new Si is a total joke. I've got 35 less horsepower, but I'm faster.....

The bottom end of the BP1.8 is capable of 400hp without problems(the J-spec GT-R has 210hp), so it's not like Honda is the only good engine maker out there.

You're right, torque is COMPLETELY related to engine displacement. Good for you. Too bad it's all you seem to know about engines.

And as for Domestics...they're frikkin pieces of horse shit. I would never buy and American if my life depended on it. America screws up cars, like we're screwing up the planet....