LS TURBO vs. GSR
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From: Gaithersburg, MD
Dammit.....I just called and it has a non vtec engine. SHYT....I guess i shoulda known it was too good to be true. I'll find my baby soon. Let me know if you guys see anything around MD for a good price. I'm looking for a gsr under 8k.......prolly 94-96. Anyways, Thanks for the info on the conversion 97lsvtec.
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From: Scranton PA
Originally posted by newgsrdriver
So basically what youre saying is, the LS @ 10PSI makes some impressive torque numbers. I agree.
But your argument works against you if Im understanding it right. Youre saying that at similar boost levels, the LS would make more torque? How is that right when at 7PSI, the GSR makes more off the bat?
And sure, torque wins races. But in this case, that is detrimental to your argument. You can have an LS @ 10 PSI running 220/200 and a GSR @ 7 running 260/190 even and the GSR will come out on top. 40whp is a pretty large margin. And like I said, these are peak #'s we're discussing. We're not even getting into the curves.
And the GSR is STILL running 3PSI short in these comparisons, keep in mind.
So basically what youre saying is, the LS @ 10PSI makes some impressive torque numbers. I agree.
But your argument works against you if Im understanding it right. Youre saying that at similar boost levels, the LS would make more torque? How is that right when at 7PSI, the GSR makes more off the bat?
And sure, torque wins races. But in this case, that is detrimental to your argument. You can have an LS @ 10 PSI running 220/200 and a GSR @ 7 running 260/190 even and the GSR will come out on top. 40whp is a pretty large margin. And like I said, these are peak #'s we're discussing. We're not even getting into the curves.
And the GSR is STILL running 3PSI short in these comparisons, keep in mind.
Listen bud, what didn't you get about the word proportionately ??
I said at the same boost levels, the LS would proportionately produce more torque, not necessarily more in total ...
Whats there not to understand :dunno:
uh, no u suck
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From: Westminster, CO
Originally posted by bengeeee
Hmm......i didn't think of that. Anyone else have any feelings about the LS/VTEC conversion?
Hmm......i didn't think of that. Anyone else have any feelings about the LS/VTEC conversion?
imho, its honestly not worth the effort & problems...
spend the money on internals.
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Originally posted by honda_pilot
Listen bud, what didn't you get about the word proportionately ??
I said at the same boost levels, the LS would proportionately produce more torque, not necessarily more in total ...
Whats there not to understand :dunno:
Listen bud, what didn't you get about the word proportionately ??
I said at the same boost levels, the LS would proportionately produce more torque, not necessarily more in total ...
Whats there not to understand :dunno:
So in essence, the word "proportionately" is a synonym for "not", correct?
Keep your proportions. At similar boost levels, the GSR makes more torque. More HP. Always on similar condition/tuned motors. Always. Bottom line, end of story.
And like he says, the internet myth about LS trannys being better for boost is false. Shorter gearing = quicker acceleration. You may be in boost longer, but if youre moving slower, it doesnt matter.
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Ok, theres no getting through to this guy. I already stated I KNOW the GSR will produce more torque at the same PSI.
Alright everyone, move along...nothing to see here. Too difficult of a concept to grasp I guess
Alright everyone, move along...nothing to see here. Too difficult of a concept to grasp I guess
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I guess it is.
If youre not trying to say it makes more torque, which is all that matters, what EXACTLY is the RELEVANT point youre trying to make other than some unrelated, unimportant, irrelevant "proportion" that in no way helps anyone make any kind of informed conclusion on the subject?
If youre not trying to say it makes more torque, which is all that matters, what EXACTLY is the RELEVANT point youre trying to make other than some unrelated, unimportant, irrelevant "proportion" that in no way helps anyone make any kind of informed conclusion on the subject?
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From: Gaithersburg, MD
Thanks for the info on the lsvtec conversion. Calm down guys. Some people just refuse to accept that there car is slooooowww. Haha, j/k LS guys. But seriously, lets get back to the thread. You've been a lot of help so far. Keep the advice coming guys. It's very appreciated.
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I agree with the LS/VTEC comments. While it can be a very prosperous setup, it seems that getting them to run right for a long period of time is a lot of work.
From what Ive seen, people make great power with stock B18C1's, to the point where an LS/VTEC is almost worthless unless youve already got an LS and cant afford to build it or can get a smokin deal on a VTEC head.
From what Ive seen, people make great power with stock B18C1's, to the point where an LS/VTEC is almost worthless unless youve already got an LS and cant afford to build it or can get a smokin deal on a VTEC head.
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From: The Ville
All that shit about the ls/vtec dieing in two years is bs. I went to put in c1 in my ls and the tuner shop told me about the ls/vtec conversion. It makes more hp and torque than the gsr when completed and it cost half the price of a new c1. Look at all the drag engines. Most are conversions. b20 or b18 block and a vtec head. I would recommend a gsr tranny though. It makes quite a bit of difference. w/ the new tranny it smokes a gsr. My ls/vtec sat for over a year b/c I was in Afganistan kicking ass and the conversion was about three years ago and I have never had a problem with it but gsr owners getting pissed b/c they got smoked.