I was talking about the 240 vs the Type-R. In the unites states there really is no such thing as a "bone stock" DET swapped 240sx. Most people opt for a 3" DP, bigger ehaust, FMIC, and maybe a few other little things when they do the swap. Therefore, most DET'ed 240's out there are going to be pretty quick even at stock boost.

 

190 whp and 2700 pounds sounds about right for a mid 14. I only had a 176 whp @ 25XX and i ran a 14.1. A lot of it just has to do with traction cause i ran a mid 8 which translates to about a low 13 in the 1/4 but i only trapped 79.XX on the run with a 1.8 60 foot.

 

I got a few things to say:

sorry not ALL NA 240s are boats ;] Not the fastest things out there but they are quite fun to drive. (I have one). If you want boats, look at latest gen Preludes (lol jk) as far as races go I've beat newset gen preludes (he had basic bolt tons, I had intake and exhaust on a 90k mile clutch) by 1/2 a car, although he was catching up, and I suspect he woudl've had me if we kept going.

Handed a stock (I think) SI his ass by 2-3 cars w/ the same set up as before (then he did the expected ricer fly by and flashed his hazards and almost ran into a SUV, the only other car on the road at the time)


But then again, I barely (and even lost coupla times when I spun tires all throughout 1st gear and bogged 2nd) beat my friend's SI w/ intake, header, exhaust, clutch, and lightened flywheel, VTEEC controller, and a GSR tranny (I've been told the GSR tranny has taller gearing so taht should've slowed him down a bit, but I'm not a Honda guy so I really can't say)... by the way this was recent w/ intake, header, exhaust, cams, clutch, and flywheel -

although I think I should* beat him w/ my set up, but that was the 1st time I've "raced" with the new clutch - it grabs really well and I end up not getting traction and bog into second, I need to get used to it, I had a much better feel for my stock clutch.


stock sr vs. stock type R I'd say sr by a little bit but consider
1. most state sides SRs are not stock (in fact I'd go as far as to say most exhausts and downpipes are aftermarket)
2. most SRs stateside have been sitting many months or even years in a junkyard, then shipped over here

Also I forgot his s/n but whoever said he was putting down around 170 whp on a NA 240sx I'd like to see your dynos, as far as I know no one has been able to hit that high w/o bottom end work.


edit: I'm on stock open diff., most 240sx in the states are not LSD equipped

 

ok now we have a fkun problem.. we got NISSAN owners bragin about 240s and how they can walk on type Rs all day long..

wrong.

boost or not, ur car wont last on the track or anywhere.. SO WHAT if ur car can walk on a type R for 15 seconds.

The type R would walk on u for the next 3 hours during a GT /touring RACE or any race that would last more then few 15 seconds....

Out of the BOX the NA type R will always be better then an old boosted 240 with leaking problems... and a driver that claims that 240s are better then type Rs......

dont rag on type Rs man.. there's a reason why stock type Rs always come out at the top during touring challenges....

and raggin on a honda?! and a type R? lol cmon go rag on some cheap domestic or somethin.. next thing u know somebodies gonna say that a 240 is gonna kick NSX's ass.....

oh dont be surprised when the type R beats u at top end... ur car is heavy buddy... type Rs are LIGHT.

 

ok now we have a fkun problem.. we got SOMEBODY bad mouthing the 240.

wrong.

hmm OR how bout most 240 owners I know including me give respect to cars when it's due, in fact if I had the $ when I was loooking for a car a type R would've been my choice, but you are WAY wrong if you think 240s (doesn't matter either KA24 or SR) are unreliable - sorry buddy but it is your kind of thinkin, without proof, without reason, that give some car enthusiasts a bad name. The kind of person that would die before they believe other car makers, YES even domestics, can make good cars. You must not know alot about the 240 when you said:

"boost or not, ur car wont last on the track or anywhere.. SO WHAT if ur car can walk on a type R for 15 seconds.

The type R would walk on u for the next 3 hours during a GT /touring RACE or any race that would last more then few 15 seconds...."

:angry:

 

interesting

 

Wow. Getting a little pissy, eh?
What makes you think that a race with a modded 240sx vs. a modded ITR wouldn't end up with the type R being absolutely destroyed? I'd really like to know. The only advantage I can see it having is 300 fewer pounds to haul around, while the 240 will be able to make way more power, and has rwd.
BTW, what 'cheap domestic' would you have him rag on?

 

IM not making biased opinions without proof or reason buddy.

and neither am i RAGGING on the 240, i never said the 240 is a bad car ok. i said HIS 240 which he claims to WALK on ALMOST anything is GARBAGE talk if he was in a race longer then 15 seconds he would loose to a type R.

well lets see... his car is an untuned turbo. id say it would only last a few minutes of EXTREME racing action before he destroys his car.

A type R on the other hand can survive extreme racing conditions hella lot longer.

if u want proof, watch the touring races watch how the almost stock NA ITRs perform. wait... do I see a 240 racing with an ITR during the GT championships/ touring raceS? hmm wheres the 240?

just cause HIS 240 has turbo, does not make his car a racing car like the TYPE R, and neither does it give him the right to brag beyond his 15 seconds, and make claims that his car is better then a TYPE R, just because he raced a SLOW 15.5 second ITR.

:madfawk:

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what cheap domestic should he rag on? lets see the cheapest one u can by thats an economy domestic that can't race even if u supercharge and turbo it. u know sorta like economy imports... like toyota echo.... um pontiac sunfire? i dont know whats the cheapest domestic... man...

 

name a recent "touring championship" that you speak of.

 

This doesn't really settle anything, but here is my personal experience....

I have a 2500lb s13 with SR20det at 0.8bar putting down about 225rwhp. I haved raced a guy quite a few times that has an ITR EG hatch (with about every imaginable bolt-on - beautiful car ) quite a few times. We are a close race. We have raced from a roll and from a stand. Whoever is driving better usually wins.

However, I will soon be upping the boost to 1 bar (14-15 psi). Then I will smoke his ricer ass - just kidding I love hondas, especially nicely built hatches.

btw - most NA 240's ARE boats! I almost cried when I sold my accord and was driving my NA 240 around. A few friends of mine take their N/A 240's to the track and always run high 16's. It's kinda embarassing. The modded N/A 240's can sometimes sneek into the very high 15's - LOL