Yeah.. more torque is better. But it does drop off some prior to the larger lobes.

I'd rather have >300 the whole way.

 

1 - yea we are talking about 4 cylinders not a dodge hemi and not a 350z

2 - if u admit it feels pretty impressive, but contend that its not as much as it feels...
then u obviously havent driven a high performance h22.
the changeover is nothing less than an abrupt boost of acceleration.

3 - tell you what, when your stock 350 uses technology designed after 1970 then we can talk

~boom

 

Nevermind. My bad. I was simply trying to talk to you like you were intelligent. I will now stop since you have proven otherwise.

 

I hope you are kidding.

 

That's interesting. I guess it's basacally a built up engine......makes sense. Having an all motor car is better than an all turbo one. The Honda cars that race in the lightning division at the short track up here have their own division because they are so much better than the other 4cyl cars you could race in that class. They split off the rest of the group into the Thunder division. Honda has the 4cyl motor cased that's for sure. My Dad had a 93 Integra thad had 320,000 kms on it and that thing ran like it was brand new when he traded it for the 2000 Integra.


Here's the thing about the old style 1970's blocks and things that us domestic guys use in custom cars....they may be old, BUT the R&D is ongoing. Have you seen how many heads you can use on a 351 sportsman block? That stems from years of development and racing. It also lets you chose a head in the price range you want. If you built a 351, you have many choices for power and budget concerns which makes them popular. There are thousands of race shops that try new machining and parts that the 351 has become perhaps the most reasearched, tried and tested engine anywhere. New parts such as custom heads are always available and being developed. NASCAR will approve a new head design for use this year. There is plenty of new technology out there in V8 engines but they are expensive. You can buy the 390hp 2003 Cobra engine for $12,000 or buy an old 1970's 460 big block AND a supercharger which will destroy the Cobra engine for less. Sometimes new technology does not pay and this is the reason. The old style race engines are still the ticket to engine strength, power and aftermarket development. Until the price of the newer technology comes down your money is still better spent on an older crate engine for a custom engine.

The same thing with a Honda.......you wouldn't pay more for new motor if you could get more power from an older one that had more parts available. The only thing better about new motors is emissions testing and fuel economy for V8's.

 

in the world of hondas new motors ass more then jsut that the new k series motors have an amazing ability to mod the car with good power gains people are getting 18 hp with intakes thats crazy when taht car only has 200 at the crank our new engine help everything because honda keeps researching and revamping the technology where as amercan companys havn't advaced taht far in the past 30 years with there engines

 

God, you are stupid (and nice spelling and sentence formation, I must say). I get almost 30 mpg on the highway. THIRTY. That's pretty close to a B18C5 engine, except for having almost 3 times the torque, over 3 times the displacement, and about 1.8 times the power. And my car runs 12's with only an airbox lid. If that's not technology, what is?

News flash for you two domestic haters:
Variable valve timing is 70's technology.
LS1 has nothing in common with a chevy 350 besides having 8 cylinders and OHV layout (it isn't even 350 ci), and it was designed from scratch for the 1997 C5 vette.
Ford's modular V8 is an overall newer design than a B series honda I4.

Can't anyone debate this stuff without throwing their ignorant opinions ('dumbestics are usng 1950's enjins and they don't have no tecknoligy' )?

 

The R&D for the older blocks used for racing comes in the form of better heads and components like roller rockers etc. Sure the concept of non-efi has not changed but their components are constantly being revamped and tested by race teams and Ford engineers for racing and street rod applications.

The new engines (IE LS1 and Fords modular V8 are all new designs which make more power from less displacement 281 cubic inches on the Ford 4.6 VS the 225 horse 5.0 litre 302 cubic inch V8 of old) Those engines can have programable chips added and etc but with V8's you tend not to do the computer thing as much as you work with a better manifold or heads. We are constantly looking for better flowing heads. What part of newer computer controlled EFI V8 cars which get great gas mileage for such a large engine, isn't new technology?

 

im not a domestic hater, im actually looking at buying a 91 camaro for a few bucks and buildin up a 350 with a 383 stroker for it (my friend is doing this to his car right now), and then adding that to my collection.
im slowly getting to my ultimate garage at 21, with RWD, FWD, AWD and the bike.
90% of everything you post here is based on how much better your camaro is over a honda...
so who is the hater

yea your car has 3 times the displacement but only 1.8 times the power over an ITR motor
we wont count the torque since its more directly related to displacement
the idea of variable valve timing may be that old, but not the way honda engineered it on FULL PRODUCTION ENGINES.
now what were you saying about technology?

i am very impressed with the new GT and the power that ford is squeezing out of the 4.6, most notably between the mid nineties and now. Getting what?, about 40 more horses out of the same motor isnt bad at all.
i really dont dislike ford, i just dislike having to rebuild their crappy 4 cylinders, like on my brothers car.
ive said this before

~boom

 

I said NOTHING about the superiority of my car over any honda until you brought the "when your stock 350 uses technology designed after 1970 then we can talk" crap, and the other guy had to put his retarded 2 cents in. When do I even bring my car up until people insult it (or me for owning it) or try to start shit? Guess what.... I don't. I'm not into bashing people for the cars they drive. I tend to be relatively civil (if not provoked) on this board and in fact will gladly give a good word to any deserving import owner. Notice the ZERO warning points, also.

If you want to learn, I'll try to find a site that gets into LS1 vs. old GM small block 350. If you want to keep being ignorant, just let me know.