Originally Posted by Draconius

I am TOTALLY for the Senators and Representatives to fly commercial. Everyone knows that we can no longer TALK to our representatives (both Rep. and Dem.) like the system was designed to do. This month off is when they are supposed to REALLY listen to their constituents, yet I dare everyone to try and get your word in. Bet you are shut out at the door.

I agree frivolous spending is absurd. Spend the money where it matters. Our Government needs to fear its people. Not the other way around. "Remember, Remember the 5th of November."

It's like at the company that laid me off. If the higher ups took a 5% paycut they could keep so much more of the company, yet they wouldn't. The GD makes $385k a year, with $180k on top of that going right into retirement (and that is NOT what he contributes...that's on TOP of his salary) and his wife is the second highest paid person at $280k. If those two alone took 5% out it would be my laid off salary alone. And there are 5-6 others that make over $100k. My boss was the only one willing to make sacrifices to save his employees/programs. If ALL government officials took at 10% paycut I wonder how much money that would save us. :madr: It's all a bunch of greedy mother fuckers now.

Originally Posted by BetterBob

Gulfstream G450
Range up to 4,350 nautical miles
passengers 12-18
Cabin Height 6 ft 2 in (1.88 m)
Speed: up to 585mph
List Price $39 million

312 mil total...

I can do a google search and save hundreds of millions of dollars.
Anyone think there is something wrong with that?

Originally Posted by Nightshade

There is no difference, it is all taxpayer money no matter who is spending it in this case.

Originally Posted by BetterBob

Gulfstream G450
Range up to 4,350 nautical miles
passengers 12-18
Cabin Height 6 ft 2 in (1.88 m)
Speed: up to 585mph
List Price $39 million

312 mil total...

I can do a google search and save hundreds of millions of dollars.
Anyone think there is something wrong with that?

Originally Posted by Tark

First off that plane is not even able to flight from NYC to Istanbul without having to refuel.

Secondly i'm not sure where you got that figure but when purchasing a private jet there are 2 prices. 1 for a normal delievery period (example a 550 delevery is normally in 2012) and a year delevery prices (add like a 15 million premium for a year delevery).

Originally Posted by BetterBob

What?! Why the fuck do they need to go to Istanbul. And why can't they stop and refuel if it's going to save millions of dollars?

And even if they did need to, they are allowed to use aircraft from Andrews AFB to fly, i'm pretty sure they can get there.

Originally Posted by Tark

They dont need to fly to Istanbul... it's just that Istanbul is right in the middle between asia and europe. It's a great point to compare range of different airplanes.

Also the cost related to refuling > initial cost.

EDIT and no... the 450 would not be able to fly from Washinton to Istanbul either.

Originally Posted by BetterBob

No, i mean they can use large militery aircraft from Andrews if they wanted to.

You know, big assed jet?

Originally Posted by Tark

yeah cause thats very cost efficient

Originally Posted by BetterBob

Why can't they fly commercial again? None of this is "cost efficient".

Originally Posted by Tark

Schedules restriction, flight routes, security, confidentiality, productivity, and social standing (as opposed to other government officials) are all good reasons for the private fleet.