If you want to talk about Canada start a thread about it... Start one about how you think our policians don't need to listen to the population or how our spending is out of control or really anything. But in this conersation Canada has nothing to do with it.

 

Canada? What the hell is that? ...just kidding of course.

The bottom line for me is it IS a double standard. Like when a whole group of representatives (I can't remember which ones or where) were all called out about how they arrived there. They were asked to raise their hands if they took economical transportation and not one could do it. Anybody remember that one? I saw it on the news or some crap....

 

I like that other double standard. You know, the one where foreigners bitch about America telling other countries what to do. Then the foreigners tell Americans how their country should be run.

 

Except this has to do with accountability of our political system and how we as citizens can and should call spending of a questionable nature into the public forum and they are required to answer for their actions.

So this has more to do with politics than apparently you understand

 

John.. I agree with you 100%.

 

And this is the same for all countries. As a citizen of a developped country you should question the accountabilty of your system. Regardless if it's Canada, USA or any other country. I believe that renewing the fleet is probably (don't have all the numbers) a sound financial and social move. You think it's a waste of money and ressources. You would have the same position regardless. That's how I saw it and you can type up anything you want to counter argue what I just posted but in the end it would be futile as you see the political view only and see it as a failure of your political system while I think the move is probably good not a victory of you political system but just a good move. I also believe that your country dignitaries should not travel commercial.

 

Updating two planes at request of those who have made their recommendation, I see no issue with.

Tacking on 6 extra planes to that request for couple hundred million more when that money could be far better used in other ventures, I do have a problem with.

Thats the bottom line to this discussion.

 

At the underlieing base of it all there are assholes who don't drive effecient vehicles or for that matter are likely to ever drive at all if not totally necessary.

That's where the double standard comes in. Any politician that signs a bill saying we should accelerate the CAFE standards and encourage people trade in their gas guzzler for something smarter, then turns around and rides in a limo everywhere they go or flies on a jet that makes a thousand times more pollution than any car does.... becomes the epitome of a double standard in my mind.

 

I agree (with the bottom line discusion). The article dies say 4 though not 2. Well buying 2 new planes plus 2 more to replace 2 planes that are on lease right now. The point of view I see is the article also mentions planes that are grounded and costly to maintain. Now obvioulywe do not have the financial numbers but they are only mentionning the cost of the purchase of the new planes and not the saving and maybe money made off the sale of the other planes that are being replaced (if any). I just know that maintaining old planes is expensive.

 

Truf. Jet liners actually pollute really fucking bad. I read recently that a cross-country flight with 150 passengers actually pollutes more than 150 people getting in their cars and driving across the country. A push lawnmower also pollutes about 20 times more than the average car. h: