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Old Oct 14, 2004 | 07:31 PM
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Originally Posted by BonzoAPD
I just said I do not want to pay for everyone else's healthcare along with my own.
Please explain how you would be paying for everyone else's health care along with your own under any proposed Democrat plan. Because unless you're making $200k a year, which I highly doubt given your age and choice of vehicle, you don't stand to have your taxes increased at all. Heaven forbid that your tax burden remains the same but some more people get health insurance. Because really now, why would we want anyone to benefit from the government?
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Old Oct 14, 2004 | 07:31 PM
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Originally Posted by CiviChik97
and how would "affordable" healthcare coverage help me at that point in time when i was a full-time HS student with no job. Thankfully, i was able to get into the CHIP program and take advantage of that free healthcare. But i only had that for a few months. After that, i was pushed into the "real world" with no coverage.

I'm not asking for free coverage for the rest of my life. I'm asking for a little more help while i need it. $113 a month for pretty much nothing is worthless...especially when you arent making that $113 a month. When i get a job and am on my feet, I'll be more than glad to pay for my own coverage. But until then, I believe that people like myself who are in teh situations like I am, should get help from our government.
I agree that people needing help to get on their feet should be helped. But what about those people who do not go looking for jobs, who stay at home and find that they can make as much doing nothing collecting welfare than they would make working for minimum wage and decide they would rather not work?
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Old Oct 14, 2004 | 07:32 PM
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Originally Posted by BonzoAPD
I agree that people needing help to get on their feet should be helped. But what about those people who do not go looking for jobs, who stay at home and find that they can make as much doing nothing collecting welfare than they would make working for minimum wage and decide they would rather not work?
So we should screw over the rest of those who need help because of the abuses of the few.
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Old Oct 14, 2004 | 07:33 PM
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Originally Posted by BonzoAPD
I agree that people needing help to get on their feet should be helped. But what about those people who do not go looking for jobs, who stay at home and find that they can make as much doing nothing collecting welfare than they would make working for minimum wage and decide they would rather not work?
So because a program which helps millions of people stands to be abused by a smaller by several orders of magnitude number of people, we should just not bother to have it all. Makes sense to me.
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Old Oct 14, 2004 | 07:38 PM
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Originally Posted by BonzoAPD
I agree that people needing help to get on their feet should be helped. But what about those people who do not go looking for jobs, who stay at home and find that they can make as much doing nothing collecting welfare than they would make working for minimum wage and decide they would rather not work?

well there's that risk you take. Insurance fraud happens everyday. Should we do away with car insurance b/c of the people who abuse it by having their car wrecked or broken into just to collect the money? No.

Have we done away with welfare b/c of those people who you mentioned? No. and thank God..b/c my single mother of 4 relied on that when we were all growing up as she went from job to job.

So should we not consider giving people who need it, better healthcare just b/c of those few who will sit back and milk it to the last dime? No. Because if that were the case, i'd be ****ed right now and in over my head in Dr and hospital bills, thanks to my many medical conditions...as would a lot of people.

You're only thinking of the adults here who will abuse the opportunity. Think about the little kids for a minute who are from a broken family and are with a parent who is struggling and cant get a decent job with healthcare benefits.

Not everyone has or had it as easy as you and other people growing up. Not everyone was able to go to a nice college and get a nice job and have awesome health insurance like you and yours. So we're supposed to be punished because of those who don't want to even try and abuse the system..?
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Old Oct 14, 2004 | 07:38 PM
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Qtiger and Mike, go look at the figures. It is not a small amount of people by any means. And the amount of money they receive is already alarming.

There are other fundamental reasons why I think national healthcare will be bad for the country. they all have to do with the quality of healthcare that we would receive in this country. It would go down hill fast. As it has done in Europe and Canada who who universal healthcare systems
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Old Oct 14, 2004 | 07:40 PM
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Maybe we should confisate all the income of the top 10%, because of tax evasion.
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Old Oct 14, 2004 | 07:42 PM
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Originally Posted by BonzoAPD
Qtiger and Mike, go look at the figures. It is not a small amount of people by any means. And the amount of money they receive is already alarming.
No, the onus is on you to back up your ridiculous claims that welfare abuse is a widespread problem. I'm confident that any numbers you find will not support your claims.

Conservatives have been saying for years that "those people" are going to game te system. The reality is that the overwhelming majority of people that benefit from social programs are more like Mandi than like the mysterious "they" that conservatives have deluded themselves into believing actually exist.
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Old Oct 14, 2004 | 07:43 PM
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Originally Posted by qtiger
Maybe we should confisate all the income of the top 10%, because of tax evasion.
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Old Oct 14, 2004 | 07:58 PM
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Originally Posted by MrFatbooty
No, the onus is on you to back up your ridiculous claims that welfare abuse is a widespread problem. I'm confident that any numbers you find will not support your claims.

Conservatives have been saying for years that "those people" are going to game te system. The reality is that the overwhelming majority of people that benefit from social programs are more like Mandi than like the mysterious "they" that conservatives have deluded themselves into believing actually exist.
Guess you have never been to a slum before.
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