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Old Oct 15, 2004 | 11:33 AM
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Old Oct 15, 2004 | 11:35 AM
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Originally Posted by MrFatbooty
You also claim that problem is widespread.
I never did such thing. From my original post...

What I am going to post is from my own experiences with people on welfare and in noway am I using it to represent the welfare system as a whole.
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Old Oct 15, 2004 | 11:39 AM
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Originally Posted by DVPGSR
I never did such thing. From my original post...

i almost posted a :rant: in reply to your original post..but i scrolled back up to see if you had said something to save your ass...and you did :chuckles:
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Old Oct 15, 2004 | 11:41 AM
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Originally Posted by MrFatbooty
So if someone wants to consolidate this point of view then maybe I'd be able to more accurately address whatever concerns there are rather than trying to run people's brains in circles.
I cannot speak for everyone but I will for myself. My problems with the welfare program is that it does not seem to offer people a reason to get off of it. Sure there are those that do and I aplaud them for their efforts, however there are a great many that stay stuck in the system for life and their kids and grandkids grow up the same way. We need to get people on welfare the training and skills they need so they can get a decent paying job and support their own families. We also need to provide incentives for kids to stay in school and get a good education. Expanding on that we need to get more of the underpriveledged students into colleges to get a higher degree. We also need to have programs so that once people get good jobs and can support themselves they are able to purchase their own house so they have something tangible to show for their hard work.

That's a start on what we need to do IMO.
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Old Oct 15, 2004 | 11:43 AM
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Originally Posted by CiviChik97
i almost posted a :rant: in reply to your original post..but i scrolled back up to see if you had said something to save your ass...and you did :chuckles:


I always try and make sure it is covered!
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Old Oct 15, 2004 | 12:37 PM
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Originally Posted by DVPGSR
I cannot speak for everyone but I will for myself. My problems with the welfare program is that it does not seem to offer people a reason to get off of it. Sure there are those that do and I aplaud them for their efforts, however there are a great many that stay stuck in the system for life and their kids and grandkids grow up the same way. We need to get people on welfare the training and skills they need so they can get a decent paying job and support their own families. We also need to provide incentives for kids to stay in school and get a good education. Expanding on that we need to get more of the underpriveledged students into colleges to get a higher degree. We also need to have programs so that once people get good jobs and can support themselves they are able to purchase their own house so they have something tangible to show for their hard work.

That's a start on what we need to do IMO.
Those all sound good to me. You're sounding like a big government liberal.

I do however take exception to the point of view, "those people on welfare are living beyond their means and that indicates a problem in the welfare system," because it's a textbook example of using correlation to imply causation. Yes they are living beyond their means, and yes they are on welfare, but the only time those two things can be truly linked is when said welfare recipient has no other source of income.

For all of the people on welfare that do have a job, and I'd say that's the vast majority of them, living beyond one's means cannot simply be explained by the fact that the person is on welfare.
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Old Oct 15, 2004 | 11:04 PM
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Originally Posted by BonzoAPD
gee could it be because i have been busy going against you and mike in all these other threads as well as searching for statistics. hmm I wonder

Any update on those statistics, Bonzo?
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