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From: Madison, WI
Originally Posted by reno96teg
maybe you're right. maybe it is spite. i do admit that i get bitter when i see people abusing social programs like welfare. for the record, my parents never took advantage of any of them. however, i don't think they would have qualified anyway.
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From: Milwaukee, WI
Originally Posted by reno96teg
growing up, my parents busted their asses to keep food on the table for my brother, sister, and i; and later, to put all three of us through college.
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From: northwest NC
Originally Posted by brtecson
Thats great, and my fam would have done that if we could. But it seems like it's different in major metropolitan areas. Theres no freaking jobs, unless you can travel out to the burbs, the burbs that don't allow public transportation to go through them because they don't want the "inner city" populus in their city. I've been looking for full time employment for the past 7 years and haven't found it yet. All I can find is part-time manual labor jobs. For the past five years, I've worked at least two part time jobs, all while going to school fulltime (except for 1.5 years when I didnt have the money to do so). Someday, when I make six figs, and yes, I will make six figs, I will be willing to pay a higher percentage of my paycheck to go to social programs aimed at helping the lower and lower-middle class. On the local level (city and county) I always vote liberal because they have the best understaning of what happens in the inner city and what should be done to improve the situation. I'm voting Kerry because he understands this more than Bush does.
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From: Ossining, New York
Originally Posted by MrFatbooty
I find increasingly that this is the type of person that ends up a Republican partisan when in fact they would be far better served with social programs that redistribute wealth in their favor. The Republican ideal only fosters the same type of conditions that you endured yourself. Maybe it's out of spite. For example, "I had to claw up, so everyone else should too."
This is where I heavily dissagree with your thinking Mike. I do not belive that the government should redistribute wealth. The government should have no say in that and play no part in it. Weath redistribution should happen by hard work.
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Originally Posted by BonzoAPD
This is where I heavily dissagree with your thinking Mike. I do not belive that the government should redistribute wealth. The government should have no say in that and play no part in it. Weath redistribution should happen by hard work.
What percentage of the top 10% do you think acquire their wealth by their own hard work?
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Originally Posted by BonzoAPD
Yes I do and I work hard to get it. I have worked hard all my life. I worked my way through undergraduate school. Once I had my degree I went out and got a good job. Then I worked my way through graduate school. I bust my ass to have what I have.
Sure there are many people that work as hard as me and don't have health care. But more times there are people who do not work as hard as me that do not have health care.
I could have choose a different route and may not have health care. Instead I chose to do what I have done and have earned it myself.
I think Heathcare should be made more affordable so that more people can afford it. However, I do not think we as a nation should be giving it out for free and making the people who are already wrking hard for their healthcare pay for everyone else's healthcare as well.
Sure there are many people that work as hard as me and don't have health care. But more times there are people who do not work as hard as me that do not have health care.
I could have choose a different route and may not have health care. Instead I chose to do what I have done and have earned it myself.
I think Heathcare should be made more affordable so that more people can afford it. However, I do not think we as a nation should be giving it out for free and making the people who are already wrking hard for their healthcare pay for everyone else's healthcare as well.
i think i just lost some respect for you.
My father died when i was 17. THE DAY AFTER HE DIED, my health insurance was dropped. Because i was 17, i was able to pick up the CHIP insurance (welfare)...that only lasted until a month after i graduated HS. Since then, I've been paying $113/mth for a PRESCRIPTION DISCOUNT. Right now, I'm paying on a $500 ambulance bill. I had to stop seeing my therapist for my depression b/c i couldnt afford it.
I'd like to think that i deserve a little bit better healthcare coverage, as an American Citizen who's struggling to find a job in my field and can't afford it right now for myself.
I'm sure you'd feel the same way if it were your mother or sister who was in a position like mine.
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From: Ossining, New York
Originally Posted by CiviChik97
i think i just lost some respect for you.
My father died when i was 17. THE DAY AFTER HE DIED, my health insurance was dropped. Because i was 17, i was able to pick up the CHIP insurance (welfare)...that only lasted until a month after i graduated HS. Since then, I've been paying $113/mth for a PRESCRIPTION DISCOUNT. Right now, I'm paying on a $500 ambulance bill. I had to stop seeing my therapist for my depression b/c i couldnt afford it.
I'd like to think that i deserve a little bit better healthcare coverage, as an American Citizen who's struggling to find a job in my field and can't afford it right now for myself.
I'm sure you'd feel the same way if it were your mother or sister who was in a position like mine.
My father died when i was 17. THE DAY AFTER HE DIED, my health insurance was dropped. Because i was 17, i was able to pick up the CHIP insurance (welfare)...that only lasted until a month after i graduated HS. Since then, I've been paying $113/mth for a PRESCRIPTION DISCOUNT. Right now, I'm paying on a $500 ambulance bill. I had to stop seeing my therapist for my depression b/c i couldnt afford it.
I'd like to think that i deserve a little bit better healthcare coverage, as an American Citizen who's struggling to find a job in my field and can't afford it right now for myself.
I'm sure you'd feel the same way if it were your mother or sister who was in a position like mine.
I know you went through a struggle and I am very sorry for the loss of your father. I think that is horrible how the insurance company dropped you like that. These are the types of situations where I think that affordable healthcare would be great. Do I think that everyone should just be handed heathcare? No. I do not think it will solve problems it will just make the healthcare system worse than it is now.
If the government is in charge of it, i can only imagine how much debt we would be in. The gvt overpays for everything they buy. Insurance companies love to overcharge. That is not a good combo.
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From: York PA
Originally Posted by BonzoAPD
Why would you lose respect for me? Because I have a different opinion on a political subject? Did I say that healthcare shouldn't be made more affordable? No. I just said I do not want to pay for everyone else's healthcare along with my own.
I know you went through a struggle and I am very sorry for the loss of your father. I think that is horrible how the insurance company dropped you like that. These are the types of situations where I think that affordable healthcare would be great. Do I think that everyone should just be handed heathcare? No. I do not think it will solve problems it will just make the healthcare system worse than it is now.
If the government is in charge of it, i can only imagine how much debt we would be in. The gvt overpays for everything they buy. Insurance companies love to overcharge. That is not a good combo.
I know you went through a struggle and I am very sorry for the loss of your father. I think that is horrible how the insurance company dropped you like that. These are the types of situations where I think that affordable healthcare would be great. Do I think that everyone should just be handed heathcare? No. I do not think it will solve problems it will just make the healthcare system worse than it is now.
If the government is in charge of it, i can only imagine how much debt we would be in. The gvt overpays for everything they buy. Insurance companies love to overcharge. That is not a good combo.
and how would "affordable" healthcare coverage help me at that point in time when i was a full-time HS student with no job. Thankfully, i was able to get into the CHIP program and take advantage of that free healthcare. But i only had that for a few months. After that, i was pushed into the "real world" with no coverage.
I'm not asking for free coverage for the rest of my life. I'm asking for a little more help while i need it. $113 a month for pretty much nothing is worthless...especially when you arent making that $113 a month. When i get a job and am on my feet, I'll be more than glad to pay for my own coverage. But until then, I believe that people like myself who are in teh situations like I am, should get help from our government.