Notices
On Topic Serious discussion and debate. No nonsense will be tolerated.

Ww Iii

Thread Tools
 
Old Apr 17, 2006 | 04:46 PM
  #21  
Kestrel's Avatar
Kestrel
Push to shock!
 
Joined: Sep 2002
Posts: 4,583
Likes: 0
From: Palo Alto, CA
Default

Originally Posted by Bl@ck
if this were completely accurate, hitler wouldn't have needed to use the jewish population as target for the frustrations of the masses.
But, without the harsh reparations of WWI, there wouldn't have been a frustrated mass. The frustration of the masses led to the rise of Hitler, which led to anti-semitism. The anti semitism was the effect, not the cause.

Interestingly, if we use your little statement here, then Iran can't be compared to Nazi Germany because there does not exist an "untouchable" class in Iran.
Reply
Old Apr 18, 2006 | 06:04 AM
  #22  
DVPGSR's Avatar
DVPGSR
I need sleep...
 
Joined: Jun 2002
Posts: 3,632
Likes: 0
From: NH
Default

Originally Posted by MellowGold
I'm sorry, but comparing the Iranian President to Hitler is absurd. There are big differences and you should be able to see them clearly.

I believe that it would be much more helpful if we look at the causes of the Muslim world's hate towards the west. Looking throughout history, we have continued to screw the Middle East time and time again after the Ottoman Empire fell. In the end, it is OUR fault that the Middle East is in the condition it is in now.

It is not a question of appeasement. It is simply a matter of not invading countries that do not like us.
Hitler spoke openly of his hatred of the Jews as does Ahmadinejad. Hitler tried to wipe the Jewish population in Europe and elsewhere out, Ahmadinejad speaks openly of wiping Israel off the map. The similarities between the two are scary and you should be able to see it.

Awesome, another appologist.

This has everything to do with appeasement. Prior to WWII Hitler was not allowed an air force but using Luftansa as a cover developed one. He put this on display at the Paris air show and scared the $hit out of the other European nations. But they did nothing to stop Hitler but sign treaties that were meaningless. Weeks later that air force rolled into Poland and WWII officially began.

Now we have a nutjob in Iran that wants nuclear weapons and is using the civilian nuclear energy program as a cover. Why does Iran need nuclear energy? They have more than enough oil to provide for their nation and others. Will the international community continue to placate them until a nuclear bomb gets set off in Tel Aviv? Then is it OK to do something?

This is not about invading countries we do not like. It is about preventing countries from doing harm in the future when they have clear intentions of doing so. If those countries comply like Libya or defy like Iraq. Libya is a classic example of how to behave and Iraq is a classic example of the consequences if you do not.
Reply
Old Apr 18, 2006 | 06:05 AM
  #23  
DVPGSR's Avatar
DVPGSR
I need sleep...
 
Joined: Jun 2002
Posts: 3,632
Likes: 0
From: NH
Default

Originally Posted by Kestrel
Interestingly, if we use your little statement here, then Iran can't be compared to Nazi Germany because there does not exist an "untouchable" class in Iran.
How you got here I have no idea.
Reply
Old Apr 18, 2006 | 07:10 PM
  #24  
ShaolinLueb's Avatar
ShaolinLueb
Senior Member
 
Joined: Jun 2002
Posts: 14,544
Likes: 0
From: Holyoke, MA
Default

in jerusalem nuclear bomb? there are famous muslim temples there too. the temple of... abraham? built by herod.
Reply
Old Apr 18, 2006 | 07:27 PM
  #25  
98CoupeV6's Avatar
98CoupeV6
lots and lots of fail
 
Joined: Dec 1999
Posts: 23,004
Likes: 1
From: Deeeeeeeeeeeeeeetroit
Default

Originally Posted by Lueb
in jerusalem nuclear bomb? there are famous muslim temples there too. the temple of... abraham? built by herod.
They don't give a shit.
Reply
Old Apr 19, 2006 | 06:08 AM
  #26  
DVPGSR's Avatar
DVPGSR
I need sleep...
 
Joined: Jun 2002
Posts: 3,632
Likes: 0
From: NH
Default

Originally Posted by Lueb
in jerusalem nuclear bomb? there are famous muslim temples there too. the temple of... abraham? built by herod.
Well I said Tel Aviv...but either way Chris said it best...

Originally Posted by 98CoupeV6
They don't give a shit.
Reply
Old Apr 20, 2006 | 02:29 PM
  #27  
MellowGold's Avatar
MellowGold
Senior Member
 
Joined: Dec 2005
Posts: 682
Likes: 0
Default

Originally Posted by 98CoupeV6
They don't give a shit.
Yes they do. Jeruselum is the third most holy city in Islam. And Abraham is as important to Islam as he is to Judism (and Christianity for that matter).

My point is simply this: As great as it sounds to continually invade countries that threaten us or our allies to protect ourselves, it is impossible. We have neither the technology nor the money. In this day when terrorism is the new form of warfare, it would be catastraphe to invade more Middle Eastern countries. It will only spawn more hate, which equals more terrorism for all. And in the end, we will be neck deep in a sitution that we can no longer control.

Could we do another Iraq, let alone the entire Middle East?
Reply
Old Apr 20, 2006 | 06:07 PM
  #28  
98CoupeV6's Avatar
98CoupeV6
lots and lots of fail
 
Joined: Dec 1999
Posts: 23,004
Likes: 1
From: Deeeeeeeeeeeeeeetroit
Default

Originally Posted by MellowGold
Yes they do. Jeruselum is the third most holy city in Islam. And Abraham is as important to Islam as he is to Judism (and Christianity for that matter).
No, they obviously don't based on their actions...they'll stop at nothing to wipe Jews off the face of the earth no matter what has to be destroyed. It's very much worth that price to them. Unless you're a Muslim living in Iran it's hard to dispute that.
Reply
Old Apr 20, 2006 | 07:42 PM
  #29  
ShaolinLueb's Avatar
ShaolinLueb
Senior Member
 
Joined: Jun 2002
Posts: 14,544
Likes: 0
From: Holyoke, MA
Default

well shit if they nuke isreal maybe we should nuke mecca. that would be fucking awesome!!!!

jk

there is a point with islam and them wanting religion in the government and analyzing their situation instead of going in and "liberating" them.
Reply
Old Apr 21, 2006 | 03:47 AM
  #30  
MellowGold's Avatar
MellowGold
Senior Member
 
Joined: Dec 2005
Posts: 682
Likes: 0
Default

Originally Posted by 98CoupeV6
No, they obviously don't based on their actions...they'll stop at nothing to wipe Jews off the face of the earth no matter what has to be destroyed. It's very much worth that price to them. Unless you're a Muslim living in Iran it's hard to dispute that.
Jerusalem and Jews are two different things. SOME Muslims may hate Jews, but Jerusalem still remains a holy city to them.
Reply



All times are GMT -8. The time now is 06:13 AM.