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Old Dec 13, 2005 | 11:54 AM
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Originally Posted by reno96teg
oook. while you're reacting to your emotions, i'm just posting facts: http://news.punchjump.com/article.php?id=1738





no game anywhere does that.



my gut tells me that nintendo is trying to stay true to what a console should be. we'll see if it works out.
Not yet, but they will be able to. I have xbox, ps2, and ngc...ngc dissapoints me in the graphics department even with the outrageously priced, online order only, 1st party only component cable, the games that are made for all consoles just look better on xbox->ps2->ngc. If you can't see things clearly in some games it can inhibit gameplay...for example NFS when speeding around if you can't differentiate a wall from the ground then you will crash. NGC tends to be very moshed in the graphics when I play, colors mixed up and not clear, xbox on the other hand is clear and I can see things better...for my gf this means everything, she has issues with her eyes and the ngc makes it even harder for her to see. Nintendo has more party type games which I do like, my gf will play them with me cuz she's not all into the shoot'em up bang bang vg's.

If Nintendo is changing their demographic then I understand what they are doing. A console that is more affordable, with games using more life-like interaction, and child friendly support will be a great success with parents and children. Affordable will mean more parents will buy it cuz it's cheaper than the other consoles, child friendly titles means less violence for their children to participate in/witness, and kids don't necessarily care about graphics. If this is not their aim then I think they may alienate their adult video gaming audience. jmo tho
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Old Dec 13, 2005 | 12:34 PM
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Originally Posted by reno96teg
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Oh no, looks like you got me. But wait, there's more! The DS has been available for longer, to more people! Obviously it will sell more. The DS was released in the US first on 11/20/04, then in JP a few weeks later (12/02/04). The PSP went out to JP first on 12/12/04, the US received theirs on 03/24/05. Inserting the fact that the DS has been circulating in EU for a full 6 months LONGER than the PSP puts them at least neck and neck in my book.

How did this turn into a DS vs. PSP thread anyhow? Furthermore, we shouldn't be quarreling over what N might be doing with there "Revolution".

Originally Posted by reno96teg
my gut tells me that nintendo is trying to stay true to what a console should be.
And what may that be, Iwata-san?
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Old Dec 13, 2005 | 01:06 PM
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Originally Posted by umop-apisdn
Oh no, looks like you got me. But wait, there's more! The DS has been available for longer, to more people! Obviously it will sell more. The DS was released in the US first on 11/20/04, then in JP a few weeks later (12/02/04). The PSP went out to JP first on 12/12/04, the US received theirs on 03/24/05. Inserting the fact that the DS has been circulating in EU for a full 6 months LONGER than the PSP puts them at least neck and neck in my book.
that figure i posted earlier is for the U.S. and Japan alone, not EU.

anyway, it's widely known that the DS had a slow start, which would negate the "few months in advance" release, in my opinion. regardless, just like in the case of consumers holding off on the 360 to get the PS3, i'm sure the same happened with the then highly anticipated PSP. also, according to your dates, the bigger descrency in date of release is in the US alone. in japan, where the DS is apparently vastly more succesful, they were released about a week apart.

so, once again, put that all together, and i see no real advantage in the DS being released first in the US. any way you cut it, the DS has sold something like 1.75 million units MORE than the PSP, EVEN THOUGH the PSP is technologically superior in many ways. THAT is the point here. i'm not arguing which portable is better, i'm stating the simple fact that specs alone will not ensure dominance or success. and i mention this because it relates DIRECTLY to the revolution having subpar specs versus the PS3 and the 360.

and if we go by your opinion that they're about neck and neck, THE SAME STILL HOLDS TRUE. the superior tech of the PSP only puts it on the same level - again, in your opinion - of the "inferior" DS.

do with that what you will. this all may change, of course, but i think they are solid facts to consider when discussing what impact the revolution may have.

capiche?

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Old Dec 13, 2005 | 01:54 PM
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you forgot to add the psp is more expensive than the ds. i think it's selling damn well considering its cost. at least you're not saying crap like 'the ds is shitting on the psp in sales' when it really isn't.
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Secondly, Nintendo DS is killing the PSP anyway you cut it.
ah there you are
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Old Dec 13, 2005 | 02:05 PM
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Originally Posted by reno96teg
don't underestimate this one... the DS is doing better than the PSP, when the PSP is technologically superior in many ways.

we'll see though. there are a ton of PS fanboys.

in my opinion, nintendo's consoles stay true to what i think a console is supposed to be, so i hope to see this thing blow the PS3 and 360 out of the water.
correct #1
Originally Posted by umop-apisdn
It is? I guess that might explain why I have never seen a DS outside of a store. Oh wait, huh?

What's the best game out for the DS? Animal Crossing, Nintendogs? :rofl: I did have a slight penchant for the Advance Wars series awhile back, but even then, the whole game looked like a cartoon.

Oh, and Burnout looks like shit on the DS. Nintendo made me a PSP fanboy, not Sony.
look down. i've seen many more kids with DS than kids and adults with psp
Originally Posted by TeggerLS
If it's not taking advantage of my HDTV I don't want it, I don't care if it has a revolutionary controller if it has old graphics, I want to see the hairs on the back of my characters neck stand up when they're scared, I wanna see their pupils dialate. I'm sure the other systems could figure out a way to make these "interactive controllers" for their systems, and if the graphics are better y do I want to play a game that is superior playing but inferior looking? Games are just as VISUAL as they are INTERACTIVE. I see this as nintendo not being able to match the graphical capabilities of the 360 and PS3, so they came up with gimmick to sell the new system. A+ for the idea, F for not upgrading 100%.
you are playing video games for the wrong reasons
Originally Posted by sherwood
visuals are skin deep. games that dont revolve around creating an enviroment, such as sports games, wont have much to gain from furthering graphics past that of this generation coming up.

again, this generation graphics are still a major concern.

in the next generation, they will merely be a side effect of the evolutionary process
see above
Originally Posted by umop-apisdn
Yea, 'Teg has a point. Why waste all the manpower on a controller? The GC came out in '01, and their next gen system has a few more megs of RAM and a spiffy controller?

I just hope that N is trying to keep the price point to under $150 or that the info that Grifter posted is just smoke and mirrors.
more info will be posted as i come across it
Originally Posted by TeggerLS
I agree, but Nintendo should be pushing graphics just as much as gameply, it would make the system a double threat. I think they're afraid the system is gonna flop and they want to lighten their losses.

If the controller works the way they want great, but I wonder what kind of glitches may arise.

Might as well include a sensory suit so we can really "jump" into the game
again, the wrong reasons

out of the previous generation of consoles i only bought the gc for zelda and metroid. i have a psp but i am playing snes and genesis games on it
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I <3 Nintendo.
sums up the point of this thread
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Old Dec 13, 2005 | 02:27 PM
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i never minded nintendo, if the controler wasnt a POS i would hav epicked up a gamecube a long time ago.

about graphics, no you don't need them, but some people like me can get pulled in by certain details that blur a line betwen what we are seeing on screen and whats real, that along with audio and a great storyline are what draw me to any game and why i havent bought a game in a long time.
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Old Dec 13, 2005 | 05:33 PM
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Originally Posted by Grifter
correct #1

you are playing video games for the wrong reasons

again, the wrong reasons

says who? I enjoy gameplay as much as the next guy, but I want to be wowed in a visual sense when I play video games at the same time. I don't just want good gameplay I want good sound, video, gameplay, and story. I think if you want anything else you are settling, I don't like to settle.
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Old Dec 13, 2005 | 06:30 PM
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Originally Posted by sherwood
i never minded nintendo, if the controler wasnt a POS i would hav epicked up a gamecube a long time ago.
the GCN controller >>> Xbox controller>>>>>>>> PS2 controller, IMHO
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Old Dec 13, 2005 | 07:03 PM
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Originally Posted by TeggerLS
I agree, but Nintendo should be pushing graphics just as much as gameply, it would make the system a double threat. I think they're afraid the system is gonna flop and they want to lighten their losses.
Well, Nintendo tried playing Sony and Microsoft's game with the Gamecube. Too many people forget that in terms of raw graphic power, the Gamecube was more capable than the PS2 and the Xbox trounced both, and look where the two most powerful machines ended up. Master System, Genesis, and TurboGrafx16 were also all more powerful than NES and SNES respectively. And, with all due respect to the DS vs. PSP debate, the Game Boy Advance is trouncing both machines combined this holiday season.

The point that Nintendo seems to be making is that graphical processing power has kind of peaked. There is a certain point when it's not adding anything to gameplay, and ultimately that's the whole point of games - to play them. If you play games expecting gorgeous FMVs and visuals, watch TV instead.

Any true gamer should be impressed with DS' library of games, even if they are graphically inferior to PSP, and it's nice to see consumers showing that they value gameplay over graphics. Nintendo's pathetic showing with the Gamecube, imo, had a lot to do with trying to compete head on with PS2/Xbox and also an incredibly lackluster game lineup (see: Luigi's Mansion, Super Mario Sunshine), likely attempts to play Sony's game. Revolution has the potential to be the top system of the next gen, so long as Nintendo allows it's team at EAD to just be their creative selves and stop worrying about Sony and Microsoft, and it looks like that's exactly what they are planning on doing.
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Old Dec 13, 2005 | 09:36 PM
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Originally Posted by Troopa-R
Nintendo's pathetic showing with the Gamecube, imo, had a lot to do with trying to compete head on with PS2/Xbox and also an incredibly lackluster game lineup (see: Luigi's Mansion, Super Mario Sunshine)
I love the GCN, and Luigi's Mansion and Super Mario Sunshine were great. :dunno:
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