Do the NSX beat the Corvette??
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First of all if you know how to drive the NSX will kill a C5 on a track. It could even beat a ZO6 if the driver is super good. Dont believe me? Go to Racingflix.com, register, download a video called JDM vs. Supercars. The C5 came way last. It lost to a NSX, Evo, GTR, Ferrari, and a Porsche. The C5 hardtop is faster in a straight line.
Not sure how fast the NSX is but here are the Corvette stats.
C5 conv. 4.5/13.1@111
The coupe is even faster and the ZO6 is faster than the coupe.
The NSX isnt heavier. Well at least the Zanardi Edition.
ZE NSX: 3165 lbs.
Corvette hardtop: 3300 lbs.
Corvette Hardtop: .91 G's
ZE NSX: .93 G's
The NSX is reliable but so is the Corvette.
The NSX is handbuilt.
Not sure how fast the NSX is but here are the Corvette stats.
C5 conv. 4.5/13.1@111
The coupe is even faster and the ZO6 is faster than the coupe.
The NSX isnt heavier. Well at least the Zanardi Edition.
ZE NSX: 3165 lbs.
Corvette hardtop: 3300 lbs.
Corvette Hardtop: .91 G's
ZE NSX: .93 G's
The NSX is reliable but so is the Corvette.
The NSX is handbuilt.
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I love showing this to people that think the quality of a Corvette is bad.
Please enlighten me on which car won the J.D. Power and Associates Best Premium Sports Car in 2002? Hint: It beat the Porsche 911 and Honda 2000.
Please enlighten me on which car won the J.D. Power and Associates Best Premium Sports Car in 2002? Hint: It beat the Porsche 911 and Honda 2000.
FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE: May 30, 2002
WESTLAKE VILLAGE, Calif.—In a market of ever-increasing quality expectations by consumers, the automotive industry improved initial quality by 10 percent over 2001, the largest quality improvement for the industry since 1997, according to the J.D. Power and Associates 2002 Initial Quality StudySM released today. Initial vehicle quality has improved by 24 percent over the past five years.
"This kind of improvement in quality doesn’t happen by accident," said Brian Walters, director of product research at J.D. Power and Associates. "It takes a concerted effort by the designers, engineers and assembly line workers of both manufacturers and their suppliers. Initial quality is an important driver to customer satisfaction with the ownership experience and has far-reaching impact on brand reputation."
Toyota Motor Sales models virtually sweep the seven truck segments, with the exception of the full-size SUV category, which is led by the Ford Expedition.
"With truck sales now surpassing 50 percent of the light-vehicle market, truck quality is critical to automakers," said Walters. "Toyota Motor Sales’ consistency in building truck models with high initial quality certainly gives them an advantage."
Of the 16 segments included in the study, Toyota and Lexus models lead nine segments, the most earned by a corporation in 2002. General Motors Corporation is the best-performing domestic manufacturer in the study, with four models earning top rankings, including the competitive premium midsize car segment. Ford Motor Company, which includes Mazda, tops three segments.
In addition to having a number of models topping segments in initial quality, Toyota Motor Sales and General Motors Corporation have both demonstrated above-average increases in quality, improving by 31 and 30 percent over five years, respectively.
Korean manufacturers Kia and Hyundai are the most improved corporations in 2002, improving by 21 and 19 percent, respectively, over 2001. Hyundai Motor America has demonstrated the largest five-year initial quality improvement at 42 percent. Other above-average five-year quality improvements include American Isuzu (39%), Mitsubishi Motor Sales (38%) and DaimlerChrysler (27%).
"Consumers have come to expect that the initial quality of their new vehicle will exceed that of their previous vehicle," said Walters. "If a manufacturer is not continuously improving its quality at a rate that meets or exceeds the industry average, it could be losing a quality edge to its competitors."
At the model level, the Chevrolet Malibu made the biggest quality gain over the past five years, improving by 58 percent, followed by the Buick Century, Chevrolet Corvette and the Lexus GS Sedan, each having improved by 49 percent.
Historically, it is unusual for an all-new model to top its segment in initial quality. However, the Ford Thunderbird debuts with an impressive top ranking in the competitive entry luxury segment. The Thunderbird is Ford’s best-performing initial quality model in 2002.
WESTLAKE VILLAGE, Calif.—In a market of ever-increasing quality expectations by consumers, the automotive industry improved initial quality by 10 percent over 2001, the largest quality improvement for the industry since 1997, according to the J.D. Power and Associates 2002 Initial Quality StudySM released today. Initial vehicle quality has improved by 24 percent over the past five years.
"This kind of improvement in quality doesn’t happen by accident," said Brian Walters, director of product research at J.D. Power and Associates. "It takes a concerted effort by the designers, engineers and assembly line workers of both manufacturers and their suppliers. Initial quality is an important driver to customer satisfaction with the ownership experience and has far-reaching impact on brand reputation."
Toyota Motor Sales models virtually sweep the seven truck segments, with the exception of the full-size SUV category, which is led by the Ford Expedition.
"With truck sales now surpassing 50 percent of the light-vehicle market, truck quality is critical to automakers," said Walters. "Toyota Motor Sales’ consistency in building truck models with high initial quality certainly gives them an advantage."
Of the 16 segments included in the study, Toyota and Lexus models lead nine segments, the most earned by a corporation in 2002. General Motors Corporation is the best-performing domestic manufacturer in the study, with four models earning top rankings, including the competitive premium midsize car segment. Ford Motor Company, which includes Mazda, tops three segments.
In addition to having a number of models topping segments in initial quality, Toyota Motor Sales and General Motors Corporation have both demonstrated above-average increases in quality, improving by 31 and 30 percent over five years, respectively.
Korean manufacturers Kia and Hyundai are the most improved corporations in 2002, improving by 21 and 19 percent, respectively, over 2001. Hyundai Motor America has demonstrated the largest five-year initial quality improvement at 42 percent. Other above-average five-year quality improvements include American Isuzu (39%), Mitsubishi Motor Sales (38%) and DaimlerChrysler (27%).
"Consumers have come to expect that the initial quality of their new vehicle will exceed that of their previous vehicle," said Walters. "If a manufacturer is not continuously improving its quality at a rate that meets or exceeds the industry average, it could be losing a quality edge to its competitors."
At the model level, the Chevrolet Malibu made the biggest quality gain over the past five years, improving by 58 percent, followed by the Buick Century, Chevrolet Corvette and the Lexus GS Sedan, each having improved by 49 percent.
Historically, it is unusual for an all-new model to top its segment in initial quality. However, the Ford Thunderbird debuts with an impressive top ranking in the competitive entry luxury segment. The Thunderbird is Ford’s best-performing initial quality model in 2002.
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that's pretty impressive, however...that's the jd power 2002 stats, not for the past 10 years. im not at all saying that vettes are bad quality, just correcting you there. they didn't make an nsx in 02, did they??
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I know I'm joining this conversation a little late, but I feel compelled to do so. I find it rather hillarious that Corvette supporters are so vehimately defensive when it comes to comparing it to the NSX. Both cars being manuals, both drivers knowing how to drive, and both cars stock, it could go either way in a street light race between a Z06 and an NSX. Is that the only thing Covette owners see? I'm not surprised, since virtually every Detroit muscle car since the 1964 GTO has been built strictly for 0-60 times, and absolutely nothing else. Try reving the old LS1 or LT1 to redline in every gear (about 6k at most), then when you're cruising, try downshifting to third at 90 mph. Then watch as your (terribly outdated) valve rods shoot throught the block, through the hood, and off to the side of the road. Now, do the same with an NSX and you will be rewarded with the most beautiful sounds and power rush you've ever had. There's something about reving to 7500 so smooth and sweet that just beats the tar out of the loud, low, and ugly grumble of low reving push rods. And at the end of the day, yes, the NSX has no leaks, no rattles, and the same gleaming paint and uncracked leather seats as the day it was bought. No one can say that about a Corvette. Now, when GM comes to their senses and gets with the program, there should be high grade materials inside, solid, durable paint outside, and a 32 valve DOHC V8 making about 450 hp and smooth as silk under the hood of that Vette..... Oh, wait. I'm sorry. That would force the price of the car up about 30k, or to the price of an NSX. Go figure. So I guess the moral of the story is for the most bang for the buck, keep with a 60 year old engine design.
P.S. -- Initial quality ratings are bullshit. It's not hard to get a good new car today. Hell, Yugos were in good shape in the showroom.
P.S. -- Initial quality ratings are bullshit. It's not hard to get a good new car today. Hell, Yugos were in good shape in the showroom.
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Originally posted by yellow civic ex
that's pretty impressive, however...that's the jd power 2002 stats, not for the past 10 years. im not at all saying that vettes are bad quality, just correcting you there. they didn't make an nsx in 02, did they??
that's pretty impressive, however...that's the jd power 2002 stats, not for the past 10 years. im not at all saying that vettes are bad quality, just correcting you there. they didn't make an nsx in 02, did they??
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Now, when GM comes to their senses and gets with the program, there should be high grade materials inside, solid, durable paint outside, and a 32 valve DOHC V8 making about 450 hp and smooth as silk under the hood of that Vette..... Oh, wait. I'm sorry. That would force the price of the car up about 30k, or to the price of an NSX.
GM did exactly that, back in the early 90s with a Corvette called the ZR1. This Vette was produced from 1990-1995.
Motor Specs:
The ZR-1 engine or LT5 was an all aluminum block and cylinder heads, 4 overhead camshafts, 32 valves 350 cu. inches V8. The HP rating was 375hp at 370 ft lbs of torque from 1990-1992 and 405hp at 385 ft lbs of torque from 1993-1995. Designed by GM and Lotus. Came with a 6-speed transmission.
The reason why they stopped production of the LT5 motor was because sales were low and it would cost more money to redesign teh LT5 motor since the C5 Corvette was only two years away.
Here's the Complete specification of a ZR1 Corvette.
http://www.zr1.net/ZR1_specs.html
Picture of the LT5 motor.
1995 Corvette ZR1
P.S. Know the facts before you run your mouth.
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Originally posted by 90TGP
You're funny
GM did exactly that, back in the early 90s with a Corvette called the ZR1. This Vette was produced from 1990-1995.
Motor Specs:
The ZR-1 engine or LT5 was an all aluminum block and cylinder heads, 4 overhead camshafts, 32 valves 350 cu. inches V8. The HP rating was 375hp at 370 ft lbs of torque from 1990-1992 and 405hp at 385 ft lbs of torque from 1993-1995. Designed by GM and Lotus. Came with a 6-speed transmission.
The reason why they stopped production of the LT5 motor was because sales were low and it would cost more money to redesign teh LT5 motor since the C5 Corvette was only two years away.
Here's the Complete specification of a ZR1 Corvette.
http://www.zr1.net/ZR1_specs.html
Picture of the LT5 motor.
1995 Corvette ZR1
P.S. Know the facts before you run your mouth.
You're funny
GM did exactly that, back in the early 90s with a Corvette called the ZR1. This Vette was produced from 1990-1995.
Motor Specs:
The ZR-1 engine or LT5 was an all aluminum block and cylinder heads, 4 overhead camshafts, 32 valves 350 cu. inches V8. The HP rating was 375hp at 370 ft lbs of torque from 1990-1992 and 405hp at 385 ft lbs of torque from 1993-1995. Designed by GM and Lotus. Came with a 6-speed transmission.
The reason why they stopped production of the LT5 motor was because sales were low and it would cost more money to redesign teh LT5 motor since the C5 Corvette was only two years away.
Here's the Complete specification of a ZR1 Corvette.
http://www.zr1.net/ZR1_specs.html
Picture of the LT5 motor.
1995 Corvette ZR1
P.S. Know the facts before you run your mouth.
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Domestic companys aren't that far behind. Over head cam motors aren't new. And VVT technology was used on airplanes in WWII. Also, Ford had the first patent on VVT back in 76-77, and Toyota one year later. Honda was only the first company to use it in a production vehicle, NSX.
If I remember correctly, the CRX Si was the first Honda to get fuel injection back in the late 80s. Chevrolet had fuel injected Corvettes since the 60s.
If you can remember an old motor called the Chrysler Slant-6 [6 cylinder] from the 60s and 70s, it got 35mpg back in the 70s.
1920's Ford Model T with 16V DOHC
http://members.tripod.com/~juan_espero/fronty2.gif
A lot of the "technology" used in a lot of Japanese imports were originally American or European designs. They just took the research farther and refined it.
Sure, OHC motors are great for gas milage. But ANY motor will be reliable if you TAKE CARE of it. I bet if you took a B16 motor and never changed the oil, never changed the transmission fluid, never changed the air filter, and just let the motor go with no maintance, it would die just like everyother motor out there. Well except the Slant-6, that motor can take anything you dish out on it [it's known as the only Indestructable motor ever made].
As Carrol Shelby said: Cheap, Light, Durable. Pick two because you can't have all three.
If I remember correctly, the CRX Si was the first Honda to get fuel injection back in the late 80s. Chevrolet had fuel injected Corvettes since the 60s.
If you can remember an old motor called the Chrysler Slant-6 [6 cylinder] from the 60s and 70s, it got 35mpg back in the 70s.
1920's Ford Model T with 16V DOHC
http://members.tripod.com/~juan_espero/fronty2.gif
A lot of the "technology" used in a lot of Japanese imports were originally American or European designs. They just took the research farther and refined it.
Sure, OHC motors are great for gas milage. But ANY motor will be reliable if you TAKE CARE of it. I bet if you took a B16 motor and never changed the oil, never changed the transmission fluid, never changed the air filter, and just let the motor go with no maintance, it would die just like everyother motor out there. Well except the Slant-6, that motor can take anything you dish out on it [it's known as the only Indestructable motor ever made].
As Carrol Shelby said: Cheap, Light, Durable. Pick two because you can't have all three.