LS/TURBO and GSR Tranny?
Originally posted by honda_pilot
Woah! I'm not sure if I can even take that much confusion at one time??? What you're saying is true but I don't see the point you're trying to make. The reason the GSR is faster is only partly due to its higher redline. It has more power!!
The ls tranny with the gsr redline would have the highest top speed assuming enough power to move it that fast.
^ that is correct. But top speed isn't what you usually look for in running the 1/4 tracks...getting there the quickest would entail (sp) shorter gearing....
Forget it you all have me conuzed me about what the topic and issue at hand IS anymore...
I've stated what i believe to be true about the ideal trannys for 1/4 mile track runs...
-peace.
Woah! I'm not sure if I can even take that much confusion at one time??? What you're saying is true but I don't see the point you're trying to make. The reason the GSR is faster is only partly due to its higher redline. It has more power!!
The ls tranny with the gsr redline would have the highest top speed assuming enough power to move it that fast.
^ that is correct. But top speed isn't what you usually look for in running the 1/4 tracks...getting there the quickest would entail (sp) shorter gearing....
Forget it you all have me conuzed me about what the topic and issue at hand IS anymore...
I've stated what i believe to be true about the ideal trannys for 1/4 mile track runs...
-peace.
If you have a good B16 just build it. You can turbo that motor as easy as an ls. Just watch the boost levels with the higher compression.
If you have the B16 tranny just use it. It will work fine with the turbo.
It is true that better torque will be availiable with an ls setup. Depending on how you drive that might be a good thing. A stock B16 makes almost as much torque as a Stock ls however that torque is so much higher in the rpm band that it is a major diff in the way it drives. Go drive an ls teg and you will see the diff. The B16 is capable of much higher hp numbers but only at high rpm. At street rpm the ls is a much more drivable motor capable of good hp. For this reason a ls turbo may be the way to go. You can still keep your B16 tranny But with the ls/turbo you may be faster with the ls tranny.
Originally posted by jeepxj66
Sorry for the confusion...I was trying to correct a miss statement that was made by another member. And no it does not pertain to your situation.
If you have a good B16 just build it. You can turbo that motor as easy as an ls. Just watch the boost levels with the higher compression.
If you have the B16 tranny just use it. It will work fine with the turbo.
It is true that better torque will be availiable with an ls setup. Depending on how you drive that might be a good thing. A stock B16 makes almost as much torque as a Stock ls however that torque is so much higher in the rpm band that it is a major diff in the way it drives. Go drive an ls teg and you will see the diff. The B16 is capable of much higher hp numbers but only at high rpm. At street rpm the ls is a much more drivable motor capable of good hp. For this reason a ls turbo may be the way to go. You can still keep your B16 tranny But with the ls/turbo you may be faster with the ls tranny.
Sorry for the confusion...I was trying to correct a miss statement that was made by another member. And no it does not pertain to your situation.
If you have a good B16 just build it. You can turbo that motor as easy as an ls. Just watch the boost levels with the higher compression.
If you have the B16 tranny just use it. It will work fine with the turbo.
It is true that better torque will be availiable with an ls setup. Depending on how you drive that might be a good thing. A stock B16 makes almost as much torque as a Stock ls however that torque is so much higher in the rpm band that it is a major diff in the way it drives. Go drive an ls teg and you will see the diff. The B16 is capable of much higher hp numbers but only at high rpm. At street rpm the ls is a much more drivable motor capable of good hp. For this reason a ls turbo may be the way to go. You can still keep your B16 tranny But with the ls/turbo you may be faster with the ls tranny.
It is true that better torque will be availiable with an ls setup. Depending on how you drive that might be a good thing.
When is torque a BAD thing?
But well said about the rest of your commentary.
Bottom Line: LS Tranny has longer gears. True. but honestly, 3rd gear on an LS tranny is a DOGGGG. You don't want it. and GSR/B16A tranny is a good compromise in the spool up time/long gear argument. Also, B series VTEC trannies have better syncros then a LS tranny, they are just better in general. A type-r tranny wouldn't be worth it, unless you really need an LSD, but still, the gears are really short on those, much better for an N/A setup.
the fastest quatermile time will be had with the GSR tranny. unless your running like ultra high high boost or something...
the fastest quatermile time will be had with the GSR tranny. unless your running like ultra high high boost or something...
Ok, I guess it would be easier and cheaper to just throw a turbo in the current and take it from there. Worst case scenario, I dont like the current setup, I can go with the B18 later on.
Originally posted by incublinkus
Bottom Line: LS Tranny has longer gears. True. but honestly, 3rd gear on an LS tranny is a DOGGGG. You don't want it. and GSR/B16A tranny is a good compromise in the spool up time/long gear argument. Also, B series VTEC trannies have better syncros then a LS tranny, they are just better in general. A type-r tranny wouldn't be worth it, unless you really need an LSD, but still, the gears are really short on those, much better for an N/A setup.
the fastest quatermile time will be had with the GSR tranny. unless your running like ultra high high boost or something...
Bottom Line: LS Tranny has longer gears. True. but honestly, 3rd gear on an LS tranny is a DOGGGG. You don't want it. and GSR/B16A tranny is a good compromise in the spool up time/long gear argument. Also, B series VTEC trannies have better syncros then a LS tranny, they are just better in general. A type-r tranny wouldn't be worth it, unless you really need an LSD, but still, the gears are really short on those, much better for an N/A setup.
the fastest quatermile time will be had with the GSR tranny. unless your running like ultra high high boost or something...
Is anybody here building their cars for bracket racing? No. So the simplest thing to do is slap a turbo on the current B16. Arguing over a tenth or two difference in ETs based on which transmission is used is monumentally pointless.
To beafer: have a compression/leakdown test run on your motor and make sure all maintenance (even the most small stuff) is taken care of. Once it's in verified good shape, boost away. If you have specific questions about which turbo setup you should use then you should start another thread for that question.
To beafer: have a compression/leakdown test run on your motor and make sure all maintenance (even the most small stuff) is taken care of. Once it's in verified good shape, boost away. If you have specific questions about which turbo setup you should use then you should start another thread for that question.
Originally posted by jeepxj66
How much diff between the gsr tranny and the B16 tranny? enough to warrant buying a new tranny? Just wondering the diff because you saying the gsr over the B16.
How much diff between the gsr tranny and the B16 tranny? enough to warrant buying a new tranny? Just wondering the diff because you saying the gsr over the B16.
my whole point was to against as the BS on how the LS tranny is just oh so great for turbo, when it really isn't.


