Wrx Sti Vs Cobra
No offense to you Diablo, but he's still running that T3-b16a2 engine and it's tuned good, he'll give you a run for your money.
No offense takin. I was just wondering what times he ran. I dont know all that much about hybrid imports. I had an acura 3.0 with some work done to it but i never planned on doining an engine swap so i never really read into it. What kind of times would his car generally run with a good driver( not that he is one ,lol) ?
Originally posted by Fast-Ford
This didn't happen on the street but it's a kill story of sorts.
If you read Hot-Rod Magazine then you will see that this month the two cars went off head to head. While the 1/4 mile times are the same (well .01 diference), the WRX was like 1.7 secs faster in the road course. The WRX STI costs less than the Cobra so I guess that makes it the best buy in that range. So I guess after 30 years the competition finaly cought the Foxbody.......sort of....
What is the bright side to this story is that the Cobra long block is a far, far, and I will say again "FAR" more capable engine once you start unleashing the power. SHM Motorsports in Ontario (the leading 4.6 power builders) have put the cobra powerplant in the 6's. So if you're looking to build a hot rod, the WRX won't come close to matching the potential of the Cobra engine.
Anyway, as it stands the WRX delivers the goods. The new Cobra is a long way off but will most likely be a brute when it arrives.....as well as the Shelby version.
This didn't happen on the street but it's a kill story of sorts.
If you read Hot-Rod Magazine then you will see that this month the two cars went off head to head. While the 1/4 mile times are the same (well .01 diference), the WRX was like 1.7 secs faster in the road course. The WRX STI costs less than the Cobra so I guess that makes it the best buy in that range. So I guess after 30 years the competition finaly cought the Foxbody.......sort of....
What is the bright side to this story is that the Cobra long block is a far, far, and I will say again "FAR" more capable engine once you start unleashing the power. SHM Motorsports in Ontario (the leading 4.6 power builders) have put the cobra powerplant in the 6's. So if you're looking to build a hot rod, the WRX won't come close to matching the potential of the Cobra engine.
Anyway, as it stands the WRX delivers the goods. The new Cobra is a long way off but will most likely be a brute when it arrives.....as well as the Shelby version.
Originally posted by Diablo
No offense takin. I was just wondering what times he ran. I dont know all that much about hybrid imports. I had an acura 3.0 with some work done to it but i never planned on doining an engine swap so i never really read into it. What kind of times would his car generally run with a good driver( not that he is one ,lol) ?
No offense takin. I was just wondering what times he ran. I dont know all that much about hybrid imports. I had an acura 3.0 with some work done to it but i never planned on doining an engine swap so i never really read into it. What kind of times would his car generally run with a good driver( not that he is one ,lol) ?
Originally posted by integrale1
The Cobra has an engine capacity TWICE the size almost and four more cylinders...of course it'll have more potential. Needless to say, there are many cars out there that'll smack it around easily as far as entire packages go...regardless of how much horsepower you give it.
The Cobra has an engine capacity TWICE the size almost and four more cylinders...of course it'll have more potential. Needless to say, there are many cars out there that'll smack it around easily as far as entire packages go...regardless of how much horsepower you give it.
Anyway out of the box in the price range (which is what I was talking about) the WRX is the best competitor. We all know (us Ford guys at least) that once you start beefing up the Cobra engine that it can do some pretty mean things. Check this link for sports car racing "winning stories" and not just the "we can compete with you stories." Funny you should mention the horsepower thing because the driver in the Daytona win story, mentioned how you need horsepower to win at Daytona
http://www.seanhylandmotorsport.com/
Originally posted by Redcivic
Obviously you know nothing about the Nissan L28 motor. Solid as a rock and very responsive to tuning. 5.0's mid 14 second cars? Since when. Hell, I know a guy with a substantial amount of bolt-ons on a 5.0 that runs a 14.6 1.4. And don't say driver because he also owns an 11 second 5.0 on NOS. stock 5.0 mid 14 second car, hah! It's like all the jackasses that say they run 13's in basically stock 2001 + Gt's. I hear this all over the internet yet every week I see dozens of slow ass GT's roll up and run high 14's andlow 15's. I guess it's just the bad San Antonio GT owners though.
Obviously you know nothing about the Nissan L28 motor. Solid as a rock and very responsive to tuning. 5.0's mid 14 second cars? Since when. Hell, I know a guy with a substantial amount of bolt-ons on a 5.0 that runs a 14.6 1.4. And don't say driver because he also owns an 11 second 5.0 on NOS. stock 5.0 mid 14 second car, hah! It's like all the jackasses that say they run 13's in basically stock 2001 + Gt's. I hear this all over the internet yet every week I see dozens of slow ass GT's roll up and run high 14's andlow 15's. I guess it's just the bad San Antonio GT owners though.
Any substantial amount of bolt ons on a 89-93 5.0 will yeild fairly impressive times (low-mid 12's). One thing to keep in mind is that they are not porkers like todays vehicles seem to be.
Btw, see sig for my minimal mods and times
i saw a late 80's mustang rock a dodge viper at the track, and the viper ran a 12.7. when the viper was passing us at half-track it looked like the mustang was finishing. he ran a 9.9.
i'm guessing, because he was in the wild street class, that has had at least a blower, possibly nitrous as well. lemme see if i can post that video.
i'm guessing, because he was in the wild street class, that has had at least a blower, possibly nitrous as well. lemme see if i can post that video.
1993 Civic Coupe Milano red (new paint)
Wingswest RS series LIP
SIR-II B16A
poly mount inserts
Type R intake manifold
Turbonetics T3
Custom turbo manifold
Greddy intercooler
Crower cams
Crower rods
Greddy Type S BOV
Thermal R&D stealth catback
Random cat
Tokico Blues on Eibach Pro-kit
Enkei RS-5's on Toy Poxes Fz4's
Apexi Super AFC
Phantom LSD
HKS boost controller
ACT clutch (new)
Vortech FMU
I know I'm forgetting some things but that's good enough for now.
best time to date @ about 18psi with the coupe is:
reaction
0.819
60ft
2.113
1/8 mile
8.567@85
1/4 mile
13.218@105
My Z28 was in the shop more than I drove it. I was in the Navy at the time so I would come back from a float and drive the car a couple of days and some shit would break. I sold it after a year and a half and bought my 93' Coupe. Stock, a 280ZX could not hang with a Z28 or 5.0 but all I did was up the boost via manual boost controller and added a custom exhaust.
millhouse, If you ran a high 13 in a basically stock 5.0 then there was something wrong with the track equipment or you are the best damn driver I have ever known because my wifes cousin has a failry heavily modded 5.0 on nitto drags than ran low 13's and a high 12 (once). His 5.0 had a built block , intake manifold, gears,ignition, full exhaust from head to rear, and a bunch of other shit I can't remember. My brother in law owned a 2001 GT for while and I beat him several times in my Maxima SE with bolt-ons. Of course everyone tells me he's a shitty driver but I have seen plenty of high 14 second low 15 second GT's at the track. I have NEVER seen a stock GT break into 13's. I'm not saying it's not possible but until I see it I won't believe it. Oh, and your statement on your F body looking better than my hybrid is laughable at best. IMO, my car is sexy as hell. But if you like F bodies then that's your taste. But to me your car just looks like a stock green firebird. Matter of fact my cousin has a green 1994 T/A and aside from his salad cutter wheels, it looks just like yours. Oh, but just so you know, you would beat my hybrid now because It has a blown head gasket. But it will get new pistons and a new head gasket after christmas.
Wingswest RS series LIP
SIR-II B16A
poly mount inserts
Type R intake manifold
Turbonetics T3
Custom turbo manifold
Greddy intercooler
Crower cams
Crower rods
Greddy Type S BOV
Thermal R&D stealth catback
Random cat
Tokico Blues on Eibach Pro-kit
Enkei RS-5's on Toy Poxes Fz4's
Apexi Super AFC
Phantom LSD
HKS boost controller
ACT clutch (new)
Vortech FMU
I know I'm forgetting some things but that's good enough for now.
best time to date @ about 18psi with the coupe is:
reaction
0.819
60ft
2.113
1/8 mile
8.567@85
1/4 mile
13.218@105
My Z28 was in the shop more than I drove it. I was in the Navy at the time so I would come back from a float and drive the car a couple of days and some shit would break. I sold it after a year and a half and bought my 93' Coupe. Stock, a 280ZX could not hang with a Z28 or 5.0 but all I did was up the boost via manual boost controller and added a custom exhaust.
millhouse, If you ran a high 13 in a basically stock 5.0 then there was something wrong with the track equipment or you are the best damn driver I have ever known because my wifes cousin has a failry heavily modded 5.0 on nitto drags than ran low 13's and a high 12 (once). His 5.0 had a built block , intake manifold, gears,ignition, full exhaust from head to rear, and a bunch of other shit I can't remember. My brother in law owned a 2001 GT for while and I beat him several times in my Maxima SE with bolt-ons. Of course everyone tells me he's a shitty driver but I have seen plenty of high 14 second low 15 second GT's at the track. I have NEVER seen a stock GT break into 13's. I'm not saying it's not possible but until I see it I won't believe it. Oh, and your statement on your F body looking better than my hybrid is laughable at best. IMO, my car is sexy as hell. But if you like F bodies then that's your taste. But to me your car just looks like a stock green firebird. Matter of fact my cousin has a green 1994 T/A and aside from his salad cutter wheels, it looks just like yours. Oh, but just so you know, you would beat my hybrid now because It has a blown head gasket. But it will get new pistons and a new head gasket after christmas.
Red, my old LX ran mid 13s with just gears and exhaust and a couple of bolt-ons, and I've recently driven a completely stock (down to the tires) '93 Cobra to a 13.7@101. The first '99 GT I saw at the track (with the paper tag in the back) ran 13.80s and I have a friend who has driven a stock (he removed the air silencer from the filter box) '00 GT convertible with an automatic to a 13.97 - two other board members, Spanky and Sensei, can both verify that.
Something is wrong with your wife's cousin's car (though you didn't mention heads in your list of mods and the stock E7s are barely fit to be boat anchors). Heads, cam, exhaust, intake (Basically the airflow part of driveline) on a stock short block, manual tranny 5.0 makes a LOW 12 second car with a proper driver. Mine ran 12.0@111 with 4.55 gears and slicks with ported iron heads, E-cam, Mac long tubes, Flowmasters, Edelbrock intake, and a few other bolt-ons. Only tuning was done with a timing light and an adjustable FPR.
I know at least a dozen non-power-adder stock short block 5.0 Mustangs running in the low 12s/high 11s in smog legal form.
A set of Twisted Wedge or AFR heads and a E-cam on Millhouse's car will be worth 70+ hp to the wheels.
Something is wrong with your wife's cousin's car (though you didn't mention heads in your list of mods and the stock E7s are barely fit to be boat anchors). Heads, cam, exhaust, intake (Basically the airflow part of driveline) on a stock short block, manual tranny 5.0 makes a LOW 12 second car with a proper driver. Mine ran 12.0@111 with 4.55 gears and slicks with ported iron heads, E-cam, Mac long tubes, Flowmasters, Edelbrock intake, and a few other bolt-ons. Only tuning was done with a timing light and an adjustable FPR.
I know at least a dozen non-power-adder stock short block 5.0 Mustangs running in the low 12s/high 11s in smog legal form.
A set of Twisted Wedge or AFR heads and a E-cam on Millhouse's car will be worth 70+ hp to the wheels.


