Your attempt to make me look stupid by being more the elementary is quite childish....

So, you cut the rain guard....but if you take a look at the door panel, you will notice that it has a conical shape. The hole in the physical metal door is SMALLER then the diameter of the mounting surface on the plastic door panel.

If you cut out the sides of this "cone" you will severly weaken the door panel, and are creating what I call some serious modification efforts...then you have to reinforce the door panel, etc. by cutting that area out you also really remove any chances of going back to stock.

Try to fit an a/d/s/ 346is in there....you will have a similar problem, only now the basket being too wide....I'll pop my door open later and take some photos to better describe what I am speaking of. I'll take a few measurements too.

Some people are more willing then others to cut and hack their cars to pieces, I'm not one of them....once again, show this housing that remains when the door panel has been removed...it doesn't exist....

 

Well witch is son, 8 years or 5 years?

For the tenth time...okay it's coming. :thumbup:

Look I know that Mods don't like to be proved wrong by newbies but sometimes the newbies just know more then you.

 

If you re-read the posts...I've been doing this for 8, you said you had been doing it for 5.....check the posts above.

I've never been too proud to admit when I was wrong....I have photos on the way....

 

Than I'll hold off until you get these phenominal pics of this SI that uses plastic parts to reinforce the door's structural make-up. And the only reason I talked to you like a child is because you were proven wrong but continue to read wrong and attempt to talk about something different. Get these pics up so I can see what you're talking about because obviously, we're on two different pages. So while you're at it, I'm gonna go get pics of the guy on the grassy knoll.

 

Well I think that he just doesn't want to say that he is wrong here and just wants pictures, pictures, pictures....

The little newbies show the Big Mod he was wrong and he's side stepping the issue. :thumbup:

 

here they are http://photos.yahoo.com/rcurley55

The first shows the stock door with stock driver, then there is one with the rain guard cut out....guess what?!?! I do know how to use a dremel (not that well by the looks of the pic though ), then the third shows the midbass pushed as far back as it will go....as you can see, the driver doesn't go all the way back....the magnet hits the metal part on the door panel, and what do you know....it won't fit!!! The connections also get VERY close to the plastic on the door panel.

In the second photo, you can see that the hole in the actual door and the hole where the driver mounts are indeed two different sizes...further investigation shows that they are in fact oblong, and not perfect circles (go honda)

Again, that's what my civic looks like, there is NO plastic housing that is removable in any way. There are three screws not 4....There is also NO hole that is large enough to fit an 8" diver in...I guess the ball is in your guy's court seeing as you decided to gang up on me....that's fine...I don't have a problem with it.

A person telling me something doesn't equal being proven wrong...if that's what you really believe then you must believe the stories in the national enquirer too....I certainlly hope not...

I would agree that we are definitely having a communication breakdown here because as I have shown, you can't get a CX or IDQ 6" midbass to fit in a stock civic door (96-00 coupe) with out cutting some metal on the door panel and even then you will come extremely close to the window.

Now until you, Buckman, can come up with shots of a CX mid in a door where you didn't cut metal, some black plastic housing that belongs there with the door panel removed, and any of the other various claims that you have made....I'm finished.....like I said before, I have more important things to do with my time then argue this point.

 

I think that I have stated plenty of times that I'm not afraid to be wrong...I'm certainly not going to take someone's word that it fits when I have tried it and it doesn't....

If you ask anyone here, I don't take the attitude of the "Big Mod" either...everyone has something to learn here. My job is to make sure that things stay civi, helpful and that the user's agreement is followed....that's it.

 

I want to add something here since I also own a 99 Si....

Cutting and totally elimintaing the 'rain guard' is not a great thing. It's there for a reason - to protect the speaker and the terminals from getting wet. Cutting it totally off without providing any further protection would expose your new speaker to moisture which is not good. Also, the terminals could get wet and lead to rust.....

As for Buckman's original idea, are you referring to the black cup-like piece on the inside of the door panel in the middle??? That's what I thought of when you mentioned that.... I've removed that and mounted MB Quart Musicomp crossovers there before (they actually screw down perfectly with 2 of the screw holes there). But now they're back in their place because I put my smaller Rainbow Contour crossovers in them.

As for sarcasm and ripping of other members, it will not be tolerated. I've been here at HAN for a VERY long time and that's not what this site is about. I'm happy to see more and more experienced people come in here and help other enthusiasts. Feel free to exchange ideas and disagree, but if it gets ugly, I will step in to edit, delete, and kick you out (I haven't had to do this, so don't push me....)

So enjoy yourself when your here and thanks for helping out...:thumbup:

 

Forgot to add something....

If the driver's mounting ring is too large on the 6.5's, the stock grill cover won't fit properly....

 

That's all fine and dandy SiClone but do the site a favor and get a mod that knows what he's talking about. He's talking about cutting a rain guard will hinder the structrual integrity of the door...It's plastic for god's sake! It's a honda, not hyundai! And yes not having a rain guard can and will espose your speaker to moisture but unless you can find a speaker that's of quality with a depth of less than 2"'s, I don't know what to tell you...How about making a fibreglass guard to take it's place?