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Old Jan 15, 2003 | 06:51 PM
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Anyone familiar with this situation? I have a possible solution to the problem w/o troops, no war, just pure game. Let's hear what you think about it and how it should be handled
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Old Jan 16, 2003 | 06:16 PM
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Well, since nobody wants to respond, let me. First of all, let's go back in the day to when the US was prevented from taking out the Kim regime in North Korea by China. We have been telling them about these cats for years and China has turned a deaf ear to us. That being said, South Korea is one of our allies and enemy to China and North Korea. What we should do is take care of our ally and arm South Korea w/nuclear weapons and put them under their control. At the same time, we should cut off China's fringe benefits and eliminate trade w/them. I guarantee you that China will gladly disarm North Korea since #1, they will be genuinely threatened by South Korea being armed w/nuclear weapons that are at their disposal as well as their already flailing economy being hit even harder by the loss of trade w/the US. China wants no part of this, and to be honest, it's not gonna be a good thing for us either, but our mission will be accomplished w/o loss of life due to war. What do you think?
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Old Jan 18, 2003 | 12:23 AM
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Your pov is interesting 94uhkord... never heard something like that before...

What I want to know is why the **** was Korea divided in 2 in the first place???
Germany loses... divide germany into 2
Japan loses... divide korea into 2?!?! wtf

anyways... its all bs... the US won't go to war with NK b/c 1. no profit from it(oil)2. they would lose a hella lot more casualties that they would in Iraq. 3. China would strongly object to any war with NK b/c NK serves as a buffer.

just my 2 cents...
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Old Jan 18, 2003 | 01:49 AM
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Well, the only reason Korea is split is because they're still at war. No treaty, no armistace. Both are still fighting for all of Korea. They're just in cold war. (and this is part of the Korean War, not World War 2. I don't think Japan losing had anything to do with Korea being split.)

As for Korea, I personally think if Bush is gonna be pushing the moral issue, then North Korea is the bigger threat to the US. They have nuclear technology ready to go, plus even worse human rights abuses (I mean, you know it's bad when China gets on your ass about human rights), starvation, and a population that, unlike Iraq, has been brainwashed to the point where they truly believe that the rest of the world is worse off and will support "Dear Leader".

Iraq is a vengeance trip for Bush, pure and simple. Hussein tried to kill Bush Sr, now Dubya's getting him back. Plus, Iraq is the world's second largest supplier of oil. Forget that there is still no hard evidence of WMD's, that Saddam has almost no support from his people (especially the ethnic Kurds to the North), and that Iraq's people are part of one of the more liberal minded nations in the Middle East - you really can't fool them into much.
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Old Jan 18, 2003 | 02:02 AM
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Originally posted by Troopa-R
Well, the only reason Korea is split is because they're still at war. No treaty, no armistace. Both are still fighting for all of Korea. They're just in cold war. (and this is part of the Korean War, not World War 2. I don't think Japan losing had anything to do with Korea being split.)

I don't think you understood what i meant... Japan lost WWII. Japan is left whole. Korea was split into 2. North and South. Where is the logic in that?
Germany lost WWII, they split Germany, not Poland
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Old Jan 18, 2003 | 02:09 AM
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The difference is that Germany was split in 4 after World War 2. But when the Cold War started in the 50s, the American, French, and British Zones merged into West Germany and the Soviet Zone became East Germany.

Same with Korea. North Korea was the Chinese Zone. South Korea was the US Zone.

Japan's issues in WW2 had nothing to do with the Communist vs Capitalist conflict in Germany and Korea, and the imperialist government was replaced with an American model in Japan. The main thing with Japan was that the Soviets didn't want a piece of it, so Japan was left Communist free, hence a united Japan.
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Old Jan 18, 2003 | 02:49 AM
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Still quite ridiculous as to splitting up a country that was neutral (or more likely to be pro-allies) during WWII if it wasn't occupied by the japs...

To Germany it makes sense b/c they were a part of the axis.
Italy wasn't split either if my memory is right...

Korea was not a part of the axis...
Any other countries that got split after WWII?
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Old Jan 18, 2003 | 06:58 AM
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Originally posted by Lastgsr
Your pov is interesting 94uhkord... never heard something like that before...
Don't you think it makes sense? if we arm SK, NK and China will be on edge. And if we cut off trade w/China an NK, NK is being fed by China so obviously, they'd look to them for help when they become hungry and need stuff, but with thier own "fringe benefits" having been cutoff by the US, and thier already weak economy, they wouldn't be able to take care of themselves, let alone another country. They would in effect be forced to comply or start a war which they would surely lose due to no resources and hungry soldiers:chuckles:

I think the reason we are going to Iraq instead of NK right now is simply because there is nothing we can do to stop NK from making these weapons, they already have them. We are trying to prevent Sadaam from making these weapons cause we all know he'd have no problem using them, the man has no conscience(sp?). He has no problem inflicting unacceptable conditions on his own people, why would he feel any different about anyone else? Let's kill that fool and then work on NK and China. Oh yeah, make no mistake about it, the reports of negotiations going on w/NK are total bullsh*t, we don't negotiate w/terroists, best believe the US and China are having these "negotiations" and both are playing hard ball right now. Nothing is gonna happen until the other realizes "they're serious now" only then will something happen to end this. Basically the US is saying "disarm NK" while china is probably saying "why should we bother, they aren't a part of our country, but Taiwan is, so when you pull your troops out of Taiwan and give us our country back, we'll talk about NK" So until Bush ups the ante and says "ok, since you have these weapons, in effect, posing a threat to our ally SK, we are going to arm them w/same weapons so they can protect themselves" China wont do anything. Let's hurry up and kill sadaam so we can handle NK.
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Old Jan 18, 2003 | 09:16 PM
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China would have too much to loose by supporting North Korea fully. For years they lobbied to get part of the World Trade Organization and have a better standing in the world community. I highly doubt that they would put all that in jeapordy...look at the effort they went to win the Olympics. They have already stated that they support a nuclear fre Korean peninsula. At the very least China would support a peacful solution and would abstain from any security council vote against North Korea.
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Old Jan 19, 2003 | 11:00 AM
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Originally posted by DVPGSR
China would have too much to loose by supporting North Korea fully. For years they lobbied to get part of the World Trade Organization and have a better standing in the world community. I highly doubt that they would put all that in jeapordy...look at the effort they went to win the Olympics. They have already stated that they support a nuclear fre Korean peninsula. At the very least China would support a peacful solution and would abstain from any security council vote against North Korea.
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