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Old Apr 8, 2003 | 12:39 AM
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Originally posted by VRGNCD5
we should cut off China's fringe benefits and eliminate trade w/them. I guarantee you that China will gladly disarm North Korea
i'm sorry to say, but you're stupid, look around you, your house, your wal/k-mart stores, do you have any idea what will happen if american just think of boycotting China products?
the two countries depends on each other on their ecconomy. why don't you think China and US are not at war cause of Taiwan? *do some research about Chinese testing missles around Taiwan to threating Taiwan, if China were like a small country like Iraq or doesn't have the economy relationship with US, Bush will probably said, you're trying to attack Taiwan, you're going down, they just simply can't afford to fight each other
just an example of what happen if you stop trade with China...
few months back the west coast shipping union or whatever went on strike, it screwed up many business in US(including me) cause everyone is out of the products, now imagine if we boycotting China trade? you think our 401k is now 201k 101k? it would be like 001k if that happens
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Old May 1, 2003 | 09:42 PM
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im south korean and im familiar with the situation in north korea. this problem will not be solved easily, in recent news, the US stated that they would bomb north korea nuclear plants if they had nuclear war heads, and that is not the way to do it. its very ironic how the US wants to fight violence with more violence. North Korea is a 3rd w.orld country with nothing to lose. if their communist country is gonna go down, they will take as many countries as they could with them. i think the best solution now is to keep negotiating with them. the US is being very arrogant by stating that the north koreans should back down because the US can just simply bomb them. north korea has nothing to lose, the US, south korea, and japan have everything to lose if they are going to be bombed.
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Old May 4, 2003 | 04:04 AM
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Kim Jon Ill might be a dictator, but I don't think he is a fool (mabe.... we'll see). I think he knows that if he uses a nuke on one of our allies, or worse, if he manages to get one to California or Alaska (the only places within North Korea's range), he knows North Korea is history. Done. Vanished from the map. If they seriously use one of their nuclear weapons, he won't be alive to see the results. Once anyone for that matter uses a nuke that opens the door. Don't forget, most of these countries have one or at most six nuclear weapons. The United States has 145 that we know of, and probably a few more we don't. So once they launch one, they just committed suicide for their entire country. That's the counter ballance. If they hit L.A., we loose a city. Their entire country is wiped out. That's the counter ballance. In the game of chess, we just have more rooks than anyone else!

I do think diplomacy will prevail. Negotiating is the only way to avoid this scenario. I don't think we will attack them unless we are provoked in some serious fashion. But at the same time we are applying pressure to keep them from doing something so foolish. The ball is in Ill's court right now.
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Old May 4, 2003 | 06:32 AM
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First, South Korea and North Korea are split because of the fact that the North wanted to be communist and the south didn't want to. It had nothing to do with WWII. We were in our cold war and wanted to stop the spread of communism. China and the Soviet Union backed North Korea and we backed South Korea.

Second, South and North Korea DO NOT hate each other. They have been in a cease fire since the end of the Korean War. They are NOT at war right now. They are trying to work out their differences and reunify the nation.

Third, the answer is NOT to give South Korea nukes. This would only alienate us further with other asian nations. China does not want North Korea to have nukes and have been silent about it and secretly WANT us to take care of the problem, as does Japan.

North Korea is building the nukes now because Bush said they are one of the Axis of Evil and they will defend themselves. We don't want them to have nukes because they sell weapons and stuff to rogue nations and other questionable nations. I say, take them out.

As for China, we are not going to war with China. Probably never. We have an army of like 4 million. They have an army of like 10 million, and their reserves come out to like 200 million. Our entire population is around 380-390 million. WE CAN'T GO TO WAR WITH CHINA!! In college I read reports from the UN and one of the growing concerns was China. China is destroying Tibet, claimed they will reclaim islands off the coast of Japan that were taken and not given back after WWII, will take Taiwan, will solve their border dispute with Vietnam by taking all of Vietnam, may move into Mongolia and Kashmir region of India. China will be a force to reckon with one day. But no one knows who will do it.
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Old May 4, 2003 | 09:04 AM
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They have been in a cease fire since the end of the Korean War. They are NOT at war right now. They are trying to work out their differences and reunify the nation.
Actually a cease fire means they are still in a state of war. There has never been anything to formally acknowledge the end of the war on either side. The cease fire merely stopped the aggression.
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Old May 5, 2003 | 04:57 AM
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Yes, stopped the agression, but they are NOT currently at a state of war. They are currently not fighting each other, nor have the will to. They are trying to reunite the country.
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Old May 5, 2003 | 05:28 AM
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Until there is a formal Peace Treaty (not a Cease Fire agreement) the two are technically still in a State of War. Just because they are no longer actively fighting each other does not mean they are no longer at war. They are operating under the terms of a Cease Fire agreement, NOT a Peace Treaty.
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Old May 5, 2003 | 10:52 AM
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Ok if they are still at a state of war, then so is Vietnam and then technically by your definition we were still at war with Iraq and Bush needed no support whatsoever to invade them again, because Desert Storm was too, ended by a cease fire. The Korean War ended with a truce, or cease fire, because the North knew that it could not take the South. They have never signed a peace agreement, but each side signed a non-agression pact in 1991. So, no they are not at war, but they have agreed to disagree about the fate of the nation. Just as Vietnam and Iraq (prior to 2003) have agreed to disagree as both of those wars ended in a cease fire. They are not however still at war.
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Old May 5, 2003 | 11:23 AM
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Originally posted by Devlin0805
Ok if they are still at a state of war, then so is Vietnam and then technically by your definition we were still at war with Iraq and Bush needed no support whatsoever to invade them again, because Desert Storm was too, ended by a cease fire. The Korean War ended with a truce, or cease fire, because the North knew that it could not take the South. They have never signed a peace agreement, but each side signed a non-agression pact in 1991. So, no they are not at war, but they have agreed to disagree about the fate of the nation. Just as Vietnam and Iraq (prior to 2003) have agreed to disagree as both of those wars ended in a cease fire. They are not however still at war.
Vietnam:

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We signed the Paris Peace Treay with North Vietnam ending our involvement in the war. South Vietnam surrendered in 1975 ending the Vietnam War. Vietnam never ended in a cease fire agreement, we signed a peace treaty and the former South Vietnamese government surrendered.

Gulf War 1:

We signed a provisional peace treaty and cease fire with Iraq, the peace treaty was conditional on Iraq's compliance with the UN weapons inspectors. We all know how well that went. You can argue we were still at war with Iraq and I would agree to a certain extent. Although now it is a mute point.

Korean War:

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The US, North Korea, and China signed an armistice and peace treaty ending our involvement in the war. North Korea and South Korea have never signed anything formally ending the Korean War...no armistace, cease fire or peace treaty. A non-aggression pact does not end a war!

Technically the two are at still at war.

You can believe what you want but the facts of the matter clearly show North Korea and South Korea never formally ended the Korean war with each other.
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Old May 5, 2003 | 12:47 PM
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You need to check your source again bro for the Korean War. You state that they (US, China and NK) signed an armistice and a peace treay, but they DID not. They signed the armistice, but no permanent peace was brought about by it. It ENDED THE WAR which is however stated on your source. A non-aggression pact does not need to end the war, the war ended in 1953 which is the recognized date of the end of the Korean War.

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With much of North Korea devastated and realizing that they could not conquer South Korea, the Communists finally decided to stop the bloodshed. On July 27, 1953, a truce went into effect and hostilities ended.

Nonetheless, they are not at war (meaning currently fighting) right now as they continue to work to reunify the nation. That was my point in the first post and that is my point now. So I guess these last few posts have been mute points.

As for Vietnam, actually the Paris Peace Treaty was signed on January 23rd, 1973 and a cease-fire went into effect 5 days later. You are correct thought that it did not end in a cease-fire because the North ignored it and after Saigon fell in 1975, the South surrendered. My mistake.
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