War with Iraq
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Originally posted by /^Blackmagik^\
on that same note, what makes you think that the nuclear devices that iraq is developing or has developed(don't feed me the bs dude, it's common sense to know that if they don't have them they're working on it very diligently) won't get in to this country just like your pot does? smuggled across the border. and on that same note, what's to say that if or when that nuclear device is smuggled into this country that it's not gonna be detonated in your hometown, my hometown, or anyone else's hometown. this is why iraq must disarm. i understand that in your perfect world no one has nuclear weapons, but over here in reality it's the grim truth and the threat is more real than you know.
on that same note, what makes you think that the nuclear devices that iraq is developing or has developed(don't feed me the bs dude, it's common sense to know that if they don't have them they're working on it very diligently) won't get in to this country just like your pot does? smuggled across the border. and on that same note, what's to say that if or when that nuclear device is smuggled into this country that it's not gonna be detonated in your hometown, my hometown, or anyone else's hometown. this is why iraq must disarm. i understand that in your perfect world no one has nuclear weapons, but over here in reality it's the grim truth and the threat is more real than you know.
it must be hiding with osama.....
you're always talking about it, always fretting. It's a fairy tale. And even if they did have one, the only reason they'd use it is because of some stupid move such as starting a war with these people.
it's not common sense about their "weapon," it's a fantasy made up by this bloodlusting administration.
The only two bombs ever used on people have been both ours. Haven't had a problem since. Maybe if we don't push our weigh around like we have been, things will remain the same
Originally posted by /^Blackmagik^\
if we back down that will only fuel the fire. personally i think it's better to put the fire out at the source so it doesn't spread as fast.
if we back down that will only fuel the fire. personally i think it's better to put the fire out at the source so it doesn't spread as fast.
oh please, give me one good example of why you believe bush is an imperialist and a dictator. what country has he ordered the military to take over?
what country has the US government ordered to be colonised?
last i saw he also has congress's backing, which throws your dictator argument out the window.
you must've completely misunderstood what i said. with saddam ousted, iraq disarmed, and UN sanctions lifted gas prices WILL fall.
that will increase shareholder confidence which will in turn raise the prices of oil company shares(that means they're worth more). product of that? the automotive industry follows suit as well as various other sectors. and guess what happens? the stock market goes up and unemployment falls.
what is the truth about the flight that went down in Pennsyvania since you know oh so well? tell us oh wise one:jerkit:
it doesn't surprize me that they wouldn't tell us. And its not like the data on the black box couldn't be faked...
seriously, man, Dick Channy's the kinda man who would make that order. And I think he did....
our government is just fine. it's the people that have become too accustomed to the easy life and like to point fingers when times are tough. if you don't like how the government works, go out and shake hands and kiss babies and get yourself elected and change some ****. until then cast your vote and stop *****ing about what the elected officials do.
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From: NoVA
Originally posted by SirSmokeAlot
WHERE IS THE NUCLEAR DEVICE YOU LOVE SO MUCH?
it must be hiding with osama.....
you're always talking about it, always fretting. It's a fairy tale. And even if they did have one, the only reason they'd use it is because of some stupid move such as starting a war with these people
it's not common sense about their "weapon," it's a fantasy made up by this bloodlusting administration.
WHERE IS THE NUCLEAR DEVICE YOU LOVE SO MUCH?
it must be hiding with osama.....
you're always talking about it, always fretting. It's a fairy tale. And even if they did have one, the only reason they'd use it is because of some stupid move such as starting a war with these people
it's not common sense about their "weapon," it's a fantasy made up by this bloodlusting administration.
dude, you're the one living in a fairy tale if you actually think for one second that if we back down things will change and terrorism will magically go away. wake up and smell the maple nut crunch my friend.
The only two bombs ever used on people have been both ours. Haven't had a problem since. Maybe if we don't push our weigh around like we have been, things will remain the same
if that was the case, you're saying we should bomb washington dc....
Afganistan
The troops we have stationed EVERYWHERE.
Not quite. Last time I checked, Republicans pretty much control congress and senate. Thats 3 for 3.
Because we took over their oil, like this is all about.
You don't seriously think that plane just "went down" do you? I'd think someone on that flight would know how to fly a plane, even basic opperation. And besides, didn't you see that wreckage.... In Pittsburg, there's an airforce base that can have f15's scrambled relitivly fast. About 5-10 airborn minutes from where that plane went down. And it was the last plane to crash. Someone tries to contact whoevers on it, no reply. What do you think happend?
it doesn't surprize me that they wouldn't tell us. And its not like the data on the black box couldn't be faked...
seriously, man, Dick Channy's the kinda man who would make that order. And I think he did....
it doesn't surprize me that they wouldn't tell us. And its not like the data on the black box couldn't be faked...
seriously, man, Dick Channy's the kinda man who would make that order. And I think he did....
You know, we live in democrasy, where I can voice my opinion, no matter how rediculous you may think it is. That last statement clearly shows you have a thick skull and only care about what you think, which is why you probably want war in the first place. it's an old mindset we as a human whole need to grow out of. I have, anyways....
believe what you want.
I need sleep...
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From: NH
Originally posted by Slow-N-Low
Originally posted by DVPGSR:
Right...so 8 years of terrorist bombings on American interests around the world and Clinton did nothing to OBL.
Wrong! Clinton was the first to fight back against Al Quaeda bases in Afghanistan, the Sudan and a couple of other places. In addition, the Clinton administration investigated, arrested, prosecuted and jailed a number of people who were responsible for terrorist attacks. In contrast, Bush put on a big show in Afghanistan, but let Al Quaeda walk right out of there.
Clinton could have done a lot more if the GOP hadn't been working to undermine his presidency at every turn. When he had the opportunity to neutralize Al Quaeda military targets, the GOP launched a massive "wag the dog" smear campaign. FBI investigations begun under the Clinton administration were abruptly shut down when Bush came to power. In particular, FBI agent John O'Neoll was hot on the trail of three suspects from the USS Cole bombing. When they came to the US to learn to fly jets, O'Neill wanted to arrest them; Bush said "no". And what happened?
What happened...9/11.
Those three men who were within our grasp went on to fly airliners into the WTC and Pentagon, thanks to George W. Bush.
Now Bush is going after people with the weapons and the motive to hit us again...
What weapons? What motive? If you're talking about Iraq, the "weapons" are nothing but heresay at this point. Sane people don't start war on nothing but rumors. Even if Iraq did have the weapons, they have no way of getting them all the way to the US. Oh, let's not forget that Iraq never "hit us" a first time, so to say "hit us again" is dishonest.
I mean really...have you not learned from history?
Obviously some of us have, despite your best attempts to confuse the issue.
Originally posted by DVPGSR:
Right...so 8 years of terrorist bombings on American interests around the world and Clinton did nothing to OBL.
Wrong! Clinton was the first to fight back against Al Quaeda bases in Afghanistan, the Sudan and a couple of other places. In addition, the Clinton administration investigated, arrested, prosecuted and jailed a number of people who were responsible for terrorist attacks. In contrast, Bush put on a big show in Afghanistan, but let Al Quaeda walk right out of there.
Clinton could have done a lot more if the GOP hadn't been working to undermine his presidency at every turn. When he had the opportunity to neutralize Al Quaeda military targets, the GOP launched a massive "wag the dog" smear campaign. FBI investigations begun under the Clinton administration were abruptly shut down when Bush came to power. In particular, FBI agent John O'Neoll was hot on the trail of three suspects from the USS Cole bombing. When they came to the US to learn to fly jets, O'Neill wanted to arrest them; Bush said "no". And what happened?
What happened...9/11.
Those three men who were within our grasp went on to fly airliners into the WTC and Pentagon, thanks to George W. Bush.
Now Bush is going after people with the weapons and the motive to hit us again...
What weapons? What motive? If you're talking about Iraq, the "weapons" are nothing but heresay at this point. Sane people don't start war on nothing but rumors. Even if Iraq did have the weapons, they have no way of getting them all the way to the US. Oh, let's not forget that Iraq never "hit us" a first time, so to say "hit us again" is dishonest.
I mean really...have you not learned from history?
Obviously some of us have, despite your best attempts to confuse the issue.
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From: 703 VA
Saddam has threatened Bush that he will use Chemical weapons on US troops if we attack.
This is a funny statement considering that Saddam keeps on denying that he doesnt have any weapons of mass destruction.
The only way we get some liberal hippies to want to wage war is if another World trade center tragedy happens again atleast x5 more times with atleast x10 more casulties.
This is a funny statement considering that Saddam keeps on denying that he doesnt have any weapons of mass destruction.
The only way we get some liberal hippies to want to wage war is if another World trade center tragedy happens again atleast x5 more times with atleast x10 more casulties.
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From: NoVA
Originally posted by EurAznBoi
Saddam has threatened Bush that he will use Chemical weapons on US troops if we attack.
This is a funny statement considering that Saddam keeps on denying that he doesnt have any weapons of mass destruction.
The only way we get some liberal hippies to want to wage war is if another World trade center tragedy happens again atleast x5 more times with atleast x10 more casulties.
Saddam has threatened Bush that he will use Chemical weapons on US troops if we attack.
This is a funny statement considering that Saddam keeps on denying that he doesnt have any weapons of mass destruction.
The only way we get some liberal hippies to want to wage war is if another World trade center tragedy happens again atleast x5 more times with atleast x10 more casulties.
What's that smell?
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Originally posted by DVPGSR:
I hardly consider using cruise missiles to take out a couple tents and some camels in Afghanistan counts as "going after" Al Quaida.
That hardly mitigates the fact that you lied outright in your zeal to portray Clinton as devil and Bush as savior. Whether you like it or not, Clinton was proactive against Al Quaeda.
There were also no FBI investigations that were shut down under Bush...way to make that one up.
You're the only one making things up here.
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/knew/
Maybe if Clinton had had the balls to go and get these terrorists they would have not gotten to us first. Be thankfull we now have a president that is doing that.
A. This is reality, not "Minority Report."
B. Osama Bin Laden is still free.
And we do know I raq has weapons...they were discovered during the last round of inspections...now they are missing and Iraq cannot account for them nor prove they were destroyed.
Unless you're one of those weapons inspectors, you're spouting pure BS.
And remember Muhammad Atta met with Iraqi officials in Prague before flying into the WTC...I doubt it was a courtesy visit.
That has been proven to be BS.
And even if their is no definative proof that Iraq had anyting to do with terrorist attacks agains AMerica or American interests I don't want to give Saddam the chance for their to be a first time...and you shouldn't either!
Practice what you preach. If that's how you want things done, start by putting a bullet in your own head, so you will not have a chance to do anything wrong.
I hardly consider using cruise missiles to take out a couple tents and some camels in Afghanistan counts as "going after" Al Quaida.
That hardly mitigates the fact that you lied outright in your zeal to portray Clinton as devil and Bush as savior. Whether you like it or not, Clinton was proactive against Al Quaeda.
There were also no FBI investigations that were shut down under Bush...way to make that one up.
You're the only one making things up here.
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/knew/
Maybe if Clinton had had the balls to go and get these terrorists they would have not gotten to us first. Be thankfull we now have a president that is doing that.
A. This is reality, not "Minority Report."
B. Osama Bin Laden is still free.
And we do know I raq has weapons...they were discovered during the last round of inspections...now they are missing and Iraq cannot account for them nor prove they were destroyed.
Unless you're one of those weapons inspectors, you're spouting pure BS.
And remember Muhammad Atta met with Iraqi officials in Prague before flying into the WTC...I doubt it was a courtesy visit.
That has been proven to be BS.
And even if their is no definative proof that Iraq had anyting to do with terrorist attacks agains AMerica or American interests I don't want to give Saddam the chance for their to be a first time...and you shouldn't either!
Practice what you preach. If that's how you want things done, start by putting a bullet in your own head, so you will not have a chance to do anything wrong.
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From: NH
That hardly mitigates the fact that you lied outright in your zeal to portray Clinton as devil and Bush as savior. Whether you like it or not, Clinton was proactive against Al Quaeda.
You're the only one making things up here.
A. This is reality, not "Minority Report."
B. Osama Bin Laden is still free.
Unless you're one of those weapons inspectors, you're spouting pure BS.
That has been proven to be BS.
Practice what you preach. If that's how you want things done, start by putting a bullet in your own head, so you will not have a chance to do anything wrong.
So OG it hurts.
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From: VA
Closed till Monday evening. Till you guys calm the **** the down.
This is a debate forum.
If you can't reply to each other without some sort of respect don't post here. We're all adults here. I'm not here to baby sit.
Closed till Monday evening. Calm the **** down and then reply.
This is a debate forum.
If you can't reply to each other without some sort of respect don't post here. We're all adults here. I'm not here to baby sit.
Closed till Monday evening. Calm the **** down and then reply.
So OG it hurts.
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From: VA
opened up again. hehehehe forgot all about it