you act like I'm all for democrats. don't assume.

bush is not going for the people with the weapons. Those people live in N Korea. Bush is going for the easy target with oil. And clinton kept us out of a war and boosted our economy. I think everyone was pretty happy when clinton was in office. I know I was.

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Here is what I mean...

After the 1993 World Trade Center bombing, which killed six and
injured 1,000; President Clinton promised that those responsible would
be hunted down and punished.

After the 1995 bombing in Saudi Arabia, which killed five U. S.
military personnel; Clinton promised that those responsible would be
hunted down and punished.

After the 1996 Khobar Towers bombing in Saudi Arabia, which killed
19 and injured 200 U. S. military personnel; Clinton promised that those
responsible would be hunted down and punished.

After the 1998 bombing of U. S. embassies in Africa, which killed
224 and injured 5,000; Clinton promised that those responsible would be
hunted down and punished.

After the 2000 bombing of the USS Cole, which killed 17 and injured
39 U. S. sailors; Clinton promised that those responsible would be
hunted down and punished.

Maybe if Clinton had kept his promise, an estimated 2,800 people in
New York and Washington, D. C. that are now dead would be alive today.


Do you understand now? How much clearer do I need to make the case in point?

what point? That we have to look for these needles in haystacks to prove some global point? That we must fight for peace? Please, fighting for peace proves the same point as fucking for virginity.

Maybe if our government didn't try and control everything and kept to itself, things like sept 11 01, and all those prior attacks, wouldn't happen. I feel both demo's and republicans are to blame here. Too much bs.

 

clinton took credit for the dot com boom, nothing more. north korea isn't a threat to us at home and have yet to sponsor a terrorist act against us on american soil. Iraq has.

needles in haystacks? you have got to be kidding. it didn't affect you so it's inconsequential? is that it? that has to be the most ridiculous statement i've ever saw you make, and you've made some doosies. the point is that there have been repeated attacks on us interests and our previous executive did absolutely nothing about it. now that we have someone in office that has nuts and isn't slingin it to every intern he can get his hands on you people call him a dictator and imperialist and whatever other terms you bleeding hearts are using now.

every political figurehead has a hidden agenda, there's no doubt in my mind about that, but come on now. even if this is all about oil as your conspiracy theories claim, lowered gas prices will DEFINATELY help our economy that you people wine about incessantly. take your pick, you can have one or the other, but not both.

edit: and as far as your "****ing for virginity" comment. you seem to forget about something they taught in history class called the american and french revolutions to name a couple, WW1, WW2, or the gulf war for that matter. since you preach about learning from history so much i suggest you go back to high school. you obviously missed a lot the first time around.

 

proof?

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needles in haystacks? you have got to be kidding. it didn't affect you so it's inconsequential? is that it? that has to be the most ridiculous statement i've ever saw you make, and you've made some doosies. the point is that there have been repeated attacks on us interests and our previous executive did absolutely nothing about it. now that we have someone in office that has nuts and isn't slingin it to every intern he can get his hands on you people call him a dictator and imperialist and whatever other terms you bleeding hearts are using now.

these cells are needles in haystacks. The very same reason the US hasn't found osama, and why alqueda is still operating. Terrorism isn't something you can fight. You must work things out, and come to agreements. It's time for this country to swallow its pride. Nothings perfect.

where did you get the idea I thought it was inconsequential? Quit jumping to conclusions.

bush is a dictator and imperialist. clinton's screwing around has nothing to do with it. quit trying to pull the stupid demo into the argument. and besides, what about JFK slinging his nuts around?

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every political figurehead has a hidden agenda, there's no doubt in my mind about that, but come on now. even if this is all about oil as your conspiracy theories claim, lowered gas prices will DEFINATELY help our economy that you people wine about incessantly. take your pick, you can have one or the other, but not both.

not conspiracy theories, common sense. Have you been to a gas station lately? Prices are up. and the stock markets still plummetting. Unemployment's still on the rise. Unchecked corperations are still screwing their employess.

I feel its time for a reformation of our government. It's all talk and no results. And God forbid them tell the truth about the flight that went down in penn.

 

Your points and views are extremely liberal and that is what I think you are...a liberal. I have never said that you are all for the Democrats. And my points about Clinton is to show what the culmination of inaction was...sadly 9/11. I guess it hit a little closer to home for me since I lost a friend, know many people that lost loved ones, and had no knowledge of my wife, brother, sister-in-law, and other friends for hours after the WTC was hit.

 

Work things out? Giving in to terrorists will only breed more terrorists! Jesus man please...terrorism is something you must fight. We need to stand up for ourselves and protect ourselves...not go running back home with our tail between our legs simply because some terrorist group does not like us. Bowing down to their demands will only weaken the US. If you tie the noose around the snake tight enough he will die...it is only a matter of time. I think Clinton did a wonderful job of giving peace a chance:jerkit:...now it is time to let Bush do the job before more inaction leads to more unnecesary US deaths!

 

I don't really consider myself liberal. I just think about what will be better for the whole. For instance, I'm prochoice, not because I myself would have a loved one have an abortion, so much as other people will more than likely have abortions, therefor they should be legal.

My bigest gripe with the government is the infringment of ones rights. I think we should all live our lives and be happy and do what we each want. But since we're in the real world, there's always the other side of the coin: evilness. So the government is there to look over its country's citizens. It sets up heath, education, law enforcement, etc. It keeps everyone safe and happy.

Now then, yes, america, up to this point, is doing a fantastic job. And whats funny is that I can still smoke pot, even though it's illegal for no reason. I love this place.

But this is where america falls off. It's how we act outside our boarders that is rediculous.

What if you had some russians building a neacular powerplant in your town? What if you had some saudi's building an oil rig behind your house? How would you like it if 1940's Nazi German troops were marching down your street? Welcome to the middle eastern pov.

Either this country needs a better foriegn policy, or we need much better leaders, I don't care who. I think that this country has much potencial for doing great things. At this point in our intricatly woven web of worldwide connected-ness, a war would be very detrimental.

It's understandable your feelings twords the events that took place that day. Maybe thats why I think how I do, and you have your opinion. I have nothing to be upset about. Sure, it blew me away, and I was out of it for a few days. But I got over it. It actually made a mark in your life, and to that, I understand your anger.

the way I feel, sometimes revenge is not the best way to solve problems. Especially when few countrys are "in" with the US' gung-ho "kick some iraqi ass" attitude.

that entire post you made is what they think as well. Maybe if we held talks, and discussed things, and came to an agreement, then we could solve things. Fighting terrorism is shadow boxing.

 

actually, something just hit me.....

Look at me. I smoke pot.

Pot makes its way into america accross it's boarder with mexico (mine does, anyways. no, I don't deal). Sure, The boarder patrol does a great job. They bust alot of smugglers. But trust me, alot of pot makes its way here and accross the country.

Now unless our government is crooked enough to sell drugs it confiscates (highly unlikely), we are missing alot of pot. Want to know why?

The drug game, like terrorism, is always evolving, always changing. People rise to the top, only to topple, and be busted, or killed. Same with terrorist leaders. Sure, we'll get the heads, but do you seriously think that will deter future acts? If anything, it will make it worse, because once we get the leaders, and they're gone, new ones will rise and want revenge. They'll attack, and we'll attack, so on and so forth, for all eternity, till we're blue in the face, yada yada yada. Get my drift?

To stop the cycle, one must make changes.

 

on that same note, what makes you think that the nuclear devices that iraq is developing or has developed(don't feed me the bs dude, it's common sense to know that if they don't have them they're working on it very diligently) won't get in to this country just like your pot does? smuggled across the border. and on that same note, what's to say that if or when that nuclear device is smuggled into this country that it's not gonna be detonated in your hometown, my hometown, or anyone else's hometown. this is why iraq must disarm. i understand that in your perfect world no one has nuclear weapons, but over here in reality it's the grim truth and the threat is more real than you know.

 

if we back down that will only fuel the fire. personally i think it's better to put the fire out at the source so it doesn't spread as fast.

the words you post here convey that attitude whether you intend it or not.

oh please, give me one good example of why you believe bush is an imperialist and a dictator. what country has he ordered the military to take over? what country has the US government ordered to be colonised? last i saw he also has congress's backing, which throws your dictator argument out the window.

you must've completely misunderstood what i said. with saddam ousted, iraq disarmed, and UN sanctions lifted gas prices WILL fall. that will increase shareholder confidence which will in turn raise the prices of oil company shares(that means they're worth more). product of that? the automotive industry follows suit as well as various other sectors. and guess what happens? the stock market goes up and unemployment falls.

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I feel its time for a reformation of our government. It's all talk and no results. And God forbid them tell the truth about the flight that went down in penn.

what is the truth about the flight that went down in Pennsyvania since you know oh so well? tell us oh wise one:jerkit:

our government is just fine. it's the people that have become too accustomed to the easy life and like to point fingers when times are tough. if you don't like how the government works, go out and shake hands and kiss babies and get yourself elected and change some ****. until then cast your vote and stop *****ing about what the elected officials do.

 

Originally posted by DVPGSR:

Right...so 8 years of terrorist bombings on American interests around the world and Clinton did nothing to OBL.

Wrong! Clinton was the first to fight back against Al Quaeda bases in Afghanistan, the Sudan and a couple of other places. In addition, the Clinton administration investigated, arrested, prosecuted and jailed a number of people who were responsible for terrorist attacks. In contrast, Bush put on a big show in Afghanistan, but let Al Quaeda walk right out of there.

Clinton could have done a lot more if the GOP hadn't been working to undermine his presidency at every turn. When he had the opportunity to neutralize Al Quaeda military targets, the GOP launched a massive "wag the dog" smear campaign. FBI investigations begun under the Clinton administration were abruptly shut down when Bush came to power. In particular, FBI agent John O'Neoll was hot on the trail of three suspects from the USS Cole bombing. When they came to the US to learn to fly jets, O'Neill wanted to arrest them; Bush said "no". And what happened?

What happened...9/11.

Those three men who were within our grasp went on to fly airliners into the WTC and Pentagon, thanks to George W. Bush.

Now Bush is going after people with the weapons and the motive to hit us again...

What weapons? What motive? If you're talking about Iraq, the "weapons" are nothing but heresay at this point. Sane people don't start war on nothing but rumors. Even if Iraq did have the weapons, they have no way of getting them all the way to the US. Oh, let's not forget that Iraq never "hit us" a first time, so to say "hit us again" is dishonest.

I mean really...have you not learned from history?

Obviously some of us have, despite your best attempts to confuse the issue.