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Originally Posted by CiviChik97
We aren't saying that the number isn't high...we're saying the number of people benefiting from it is much higher than those who are abusing it.
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From: Arizona
Originally Posted by CiviChik97
well 1st of all, you cant sympathize with me b/c you havent struggled like my family and i have. you can only empathize.
secondly, thats my point. you havent been through it, so i dont think that you can say on any level whether it's a good or bad idea.
secondly, thats my point. you havent been through it, so i dont think that you can say on any level whether it's a good or bad idea.
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Originally Posted by dubster99
No, Mike has made it clear that he doesnt think there is widespread abuse of the programs.
What do you define as widespread?
Let's say there's a 100:1 ratio of legitimate beneficiaries to abusers. Is that widespread?
50:1? 10:1? Where do you draw the line?
I can't imagine there is a large enough proportion of people abusing the system to negate its benefits to the people who are legitimately on whatever programs.
Until someone provides some numbers to the contrary, I will continue in that belief.
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From: Ossining, New York
Originally Posted by qtiger
QPantheraTigris: I couldn't think of any other quotes offhand which would reference Bonzo as an insane robot quite as well.
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From: York PA
Originally Posted by BonzoAPD
I am an insane robot because I do not want to pay more taxes that will go to the benefit of others when I work hard for my money and would like to beneft from it myself? Ok there buddy
No, you've become an insane robot stuck up Bush's ass since all this presidential shit started!
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Originally Posted by BonzoAPD
I am an insane robot because I do not want to pay more taxes that will go to the benefit of others when I work hard for my money and would like to beneft from it myself? Ok there buddy
Originally Posted by MrFatbooty
So because a program which helps millions of people stands to be abused by a smaller by several orders of magnitude number of people, we should just not bother to have it all. Makes sense to me.
Originally Posted by BonzoAPD
Qtiger and Mike, go look at the figures.
Originally Posted by MrFatbooty
No, the onus is on you to back up your ridiculous claims that welfare abuse is a widespread problem. I'm confident that any numbers you find will not support your claims.
Originally Posted by BonzoAPD
Guess you have never been to a slum before.
Originally Posted by MrFatbooty
Show some numbers.
Originally Posted by BonzoAPD
The numbers that I am talking about are out there. Do a search. You and Qtiger are smart guys, you can find em.
Originally Posted by MrFatbooty
You can keep on claiming that people are abusing the system, but until I see some actual evidence that is more detailed than your totall unobjective non-numerical observations of some nameless slum, I will continue to believe that people are in fact benefitting and not cheating.
Originally Posted by BonzoAPD
can you show proof that the number of people abusing it aren't high?