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Originally Posted by Jafro
You hope and you pray that that little 2.0L EVO will go away. You hope the owners don't find a way to tweak an extra 600hp out of that engine just like the previous generation of DSMers did with the GSX. Because your 3.0L Type IV won't stand a chance against AWD when they do. EVOs run 13's out of the box. They cost 1/2 of what your Supra did new. I have 6 friends that own EVOs, 5 run 13's on a stock chassis and one's in the 11's slightly modified. The makers of DSMlink are about to release EVOlink. If any of you are familiar with DSMlink, it makes Hondata look like training wheels. So, that 4-year old gorilla (it's "Downs Syndrome", by the way) got himself a Phd. If you can't figure out a DSM's electrical schematics, the problem's not the car. It's the person's fault that's reading the schematics. I have the FSM and have never had any trouble making sense of it. It's mapped out way better than a HELMS IMO.
I was actually in the market for a Type IV when I bought my GSX. I was going to continue my legacy with owning a Toyota (had a '85 Toyota Xtra Cab Deluxe for 13 years/335k miles) because I was having a bad experience with a GS Eclipse piece of shit (Neon in wolf's clothing), and there's no doubt that the Supra is a beautifully built chassis. But in my travels of researching the cars, I found their owners to be some of the most closed-minded, non-creative, pompous, cocky, POS assholes I've ever met. That, and you can make a GSX pace or beat a stock Type IV Supra for under $5k, including the cost of the car. Cost is what sold me the most, but the attitudes of the owners on the discussion boards and car shows was a huge turn-off. One thing that stood out to me is that Supra owners tend to believe that the Supra is superior to everything on the planet (because they sold their genitals to buy it), and it's not. But it is sweet. I can't deny that. That's why I originally wanted one. Fix one up to dyno 900hp, and see how long it goes before something breaks. They're no different than DSMs in that aspect.
Sadly, you're way off on the difficult to work on thing. DSMs are even easier to work on than your Supra despite the fact that it's straight drive. They're just as easy as any Honda, and I bet big money you've never worked on a 300z or anything with a Ford Ztec motor in it. Or worse, a Pontiac Quad-4. OMG! Sorry you had a bad experience with yours, but I and many other mechanics that I work with all agree they'd rather have a Mitsubishi or Honda to work on than any other car that rolls up in their garage.
I have Alldata at my shop. It requires a dongle to operate. Since the dongle is plugged in to my shop computer, it's not one of those home-use or on-the-go things that a tweeker like me really needs. www.hondaautomotiveparts.com has its limitations, too. At least if you compare it to CAPS. It's not an all-inclusive parts lookup, and the diagrams lack anything resembling detail. But anyway, I guess it's sufficient for most people. I'm not crazy about their prices at all, either.
So... say what you will about their reliability or corporate practices. All I'm trying to say is that Honda needs to support the tweaker community by making their parts software public domain. It would help the community. The same community that needs to understand that there's more to a brand than the car itself.
PS: I'm unemployed as far as uncle sam is concerned. I guess it's more like, I'm unemployered. I write my own schedule. I pay my own taxes. I'm my own boss. Would it make sense that I could throw so many parts at my GSX if I didn't work? Come on. I'm a well commisioned mechanic and an IT consultant. My car didn't cause me to lose my job. That was supposed to be a joke, BTW, and I guess only DSMers would get it.
I was actually in the market for a Type IV when I bought my GSX. I was going to continue my legacy with owning a Toyota (had a '85 Toyota Xtra Cab Deluxe for 13 years/335k miles) because I was having a bad experience with a GS Eclipse piece of shit (Neon in wolf's clothing), and there's no doubt that the Supra is a beautifully built chassis. But in my travels of researching the cars, I found their owners to be some of the most closed-minded, non-creative, pompous, cocky, POS assholes I've ever met. That, and you can make a GSX pace or beat a stock Type IV Supra for under $5k, including the cost of the car. Cost is what sold me the most, but the attitudes of the owners on the discussion boards and car shows was a huge turn-off. One thing that stood out to me is that Supra owners tend to believe that the Supra is superior to everything on the planet (because they sold their genitals to buy it), and it's not. But it is sweet. I can't deny that. That's why I originally wanted one. Fix one up to dyno 900hp, and see how long it goes before something breaks. They're no different than DSMs in that aspect.
Sadly, you're way off on the difficult to work on thing. DSMs are even easier to work on than your Supra despite the fact that it's straight drive. They're just as easy as any Honda, and I bet big money you've never worked on a 300z or anything with a Ford Ztec motor in it. Or worse, a Pontiac Quad-4. OMG! Sorry you had a bad experience with yours, but I and many other mechanics that I work with all agree they'd rather have a Mitsubishi or Honda to work on than any other car that rolls up in their garage.
I have Alldata at my shop. It requires a dongle to operate. Since the dongle is plugged in to my shop computer, it's not one of those home-use or on-the-go things that a tweeker like me really needs. www.hondaautomotiveparts.com has its limitations, too. At least if you compare it to CAPS. It's not an all-inclusive parts lookup, and the diagrams lack anything resembling detail. But anyway, I guess it's sufficient for most people. I'm not crazy about their prices at all, either.
So... say what you will about their reliability or corporate practices. All I'm trying to say is that Honda needs to support the tweaker community by making their parts software public domain. It would help the community. The same community that needs to understand that there's more to a brand than the car itself.
PS: I'm unemployed as far as uncle sam is concerned. I guess it's more like, I'm unemployered. I write my own schedule. I pay my own taxes. I'm my own boss. Would it make sense that I could throw so many parts at my GSX if I didn't work? Come on. I'm a well commisioned mechanic and an IT consultant. My car didn't cause me to lose my job. That was supposed to be a joke, BTW, and I guess only DSMers would get it.
Ok.........I didn't read all of that but I read part of it. No I don't hope the EVO goes away, its a nice car and I would definitely like to own one. You have 6 friends that own EVOs? Congratulations? You can make a modified DSM beat a stock supra? Wow! My modified Supra can beat stock ferraris too!!!!!!! Does that mean I have a better car? Hell no.........you can bash on the supra all you want because it doesn't really bother me that much. People who will never own one who just bash on it to make themselves feel better isn't something that pisses me off. I will not argue with the fact that besides the 5.0 mustangs DSMs are the best bang for the buck out there. For the money I spent buying my supra bone stock I could have 2 10 second DSMs
For me though I like things that are true sports cars and have the whole "wow" factor. That being said I'm buying a Viper GTS so continue bashing the supra! Also, somehow I doubt you were in the market for a MKIV supra if you ended up with a GSX and are in your own words a "cheap bastard" The price difference is HUGE between those 2 cars.
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Originally Posted by xsentrixsupra
Ok.........I didn't read all of that but I read part of it. No I don't hope the EVO goes away, its a nice car and I would definitely like to own one. You have 6 friends that own EVOs? Congratulations? You can make a modified DSM beat a stock supra? Wow! My modified Supra can beat stock ferraris too!!!!!!! Does that mean I have a better car? Hell no.........you can bash on the supra all you want because it doesn't really bother me that much. People who will never own one who just bash on it to make themselves feel better isn't something that pisses me off. I will not argue with the fact that besides the 5.0 mustangs DSMs are the best bang for the buck out there. For the money I spent buying my supra bone stock I could have 2 10 second DSMs For me though I like things that are true sports cars and have the whole "wow" factor. That being said I'm buying a Viper GTS so continue bashing the supra! Also, somehow I doubt you were in the market for a MKIV supra if you ended up with a GSX and are in your own words a "cheap bastard" The price difference is HUGE between those 2 cars.
For me though I like things that are true sports cars and have the whole "wow" factor. That being said I'm buying a Viper GTS so continue bashing the supra! Also, somehow I doubt you were in the market for a MKIV supra if you ended up with a GSX and are in your own words a "cheap bastard" The price difference is HUGE between those 2 cars.And yes. I was in the market for a Type IV. I couldn't believe that a 10 year old bucket of bolts... as nice as they are... still costs $36,000. I found a GSX that needed transmission work for 1/5 that after I repaired it, and decided that I should rather be spending money on Real Estate. So, I guess I "settled" on the GSX if you call it that, for something that's a lot more important than a car to me, and I don't regret that decision for one single moment. Maybe someday I'll still get a Type IV, but for now, I'm certainly not disappointed with any of my cars or jealous of anybody.
PS: Why a Viper? If you want wow factor... Go for the Ford GT!
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Originally Posted by MrFatbooty
I don't like your post because you're making grandiose complaints about nothing of consequence.
If I need a part, I can find it just fine through Majestic Honda's or any number of other websites. I don't need to get on the horn to a parts counter or anything. What more does there need to be?
As I already pointed out, what you seem to think is vital for Honda to do, really isn't. They have no reason to do what you want. Do you really think Honda is going to sell more cars because of a little-known parts CD that people who actually order their own parts are able to get their hands on? How many people do you think would really be swayed to buy a Honda or Acura just because of this mythical CD? How many people would even use such a CD?
If I need a part, I can find it just fine through Majestic Honda's or any number of other websites. I don't need to get on the horn to a parts counter or anything. What more does there need to be?
As I already pointed out, what you seem to think is vital for Honda to do, really isn't. They have no reason to do what you want. Do you really think Honda is going to sell more cars because of a little-known parts CD that people who actually order their own parts are able to get their hands on? How many people do you think would really be swayed to buy a Honda or Acura just because of this mythical CD? How many people would even use such a CD?
What makes you think I'm the ONLY one that wants this? Car sales have little to do with what I stated. If you want to pay Majestic's prices for parts, go right ahead. I can get any part on that page that's not a body part or interior part for 1/4 of what they charge through Vasco. Coincidentally, I can buy OEM DSM parts for what Vasco charges because I HAVE THE PART #'s AND CAN GO TO ...PARTZNET.COM or MITSUPARTSDIRECT.COM and order them for pennies above WHOLESALE. Majestic might be convenient with something that resembles a part lookup, but the whole point of putting that CD in someone's hands is so they can buy their parts without Honda controlling the markup. $170 for a ****ing o2 senosr!!!! Give me a ****ing break. There's no reason that part should cost that much. If customers had the part #'s, they can buy them from dealers with more competitive prices. That encourages the use of OEM parts instead of aftermarket.
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Why would Honda need to make there parts cheaper and put out a parts CD, Honda builds a quality product and does not need to go to the length that Mitsubishi does with “cheap parts” for support. Along with a parts CD. Mitsubishi products are built so poorly they need all the support help can get.
PS I speak from experience My sister had a 1995 GST and by 30k they car rattled apart lucky that it was all covered under warranty at the time
PS I speak from experience My sister had a 1995 GST and by 30k they car rattled apart lucky that it was all covered under warranty at the time
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Originally Posted by wagon89
PS I speak from experience My sister had a 1995 GST and by 30k they car rattled apart lucky that it was all covered under warranty at the time
IMO though, the car is a nice enough and cheap enough car to fix considering the performance it offers. You can get a brand new 7-bolt assembled shortblock for under $600 if you know where to look. And it's not so hard on the eyes when it's fixed. But not all of them are going to do it, and the average person looking for cheap performance isn't really going to mind as much.
I got lucky with mine. Broke 2 transmissions from pushing the hell out of it, but when I pulled my motor apart at 123k, the bores were still crosshatched. The valves were clean and the seats were perfect. The bearings hadn't even worn, the coating on them was still fully in tact. It never leaked a drop of anything, either. It's a shame really, I could have thrown a new timing belt on it and run it for another 100k miles. But, I also have a '95 and knew what crankwalk was, and don't think I didn't lie awake shaking in fear of my car doing that. Thank God it didn't, and won't.
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I used to work at the parts department at the local acura dealer, so I could get basically anything I wanted at cost.... plus when I went to get little stuff like oil filters and fluids and stuff, they'd just give it to me I liked that job, I miss it :happysad:
I liked that job, I miss it :happysad:
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Originally Posted by Jafro
What makes you think I'm the ONLY one that wants this? Car sales have little to do with what I stated.
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If customers had the part #'s, they can buy them from dealers with more competitive prices. That encourages the use of OEM parts instead of aftermarket.
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If customers had the part #'s, they can buy them from dealers with more competitive prices. That encourages the use of OEM parts instead of aftermarket.
I think you'll find that most people are willing to pay what is considered a reasonable price rather than shopping around for the absolute lowest number on every single part, and catering to the cheap bastards (hey, you said it yourself) more than they already are isn't going to make their parts business more profitable.
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Originally Posted by Jafro
How did I ever bash a Supra? I complained about attitudes of the car owners... when I've attempted to do research on the car that required interaction with a human, I ran into a lot of assholes, but I know they aren't ALL bad. That's the only negative thing I said about anything remotely related to a Type IV. I guess I'd be that way too if I had a 4-digit car payment. I've seen a Hyundai walk an SRT-10, and I'm not saying that makes a Hyundai a better car (go HERE if you don't believe me). Everyone seems to be missing the point here. I don't care so much about what car beats what car. Anything can beat anything if it's built right.
And yes. I was in the market for a Type IV. I couldn't believe that a 10 year old bucket of bolts... as nice as they are... still costs $36,000. I found a GSX that needed transmission work for 1/5 that after I repaired it, and decided that I should rather be spending money on Real Estate. So, I guess I "settled" on the GSX if you call it that, for something that's a lot more important than a car to me, and I don't regret that decision for one single moment. Maybe someday I'll still get a Type IV, but for now, I'm certainly not disappointed with any of my cars or jealous of anybody.
PS: Why a Viper? If you want wow factor... Go for the Ford GT!
And yes. I was in the market for a Type IV. I couldn't believe that a 10 year old bucket of bolts... as nice as they are... still costs $36,000. I found a GSX that needed transmission work for 1/5 that after I repaired it, and decided that I should rather be spending money on Real Estate. So, I guess I "settled" on the GSX if you call it that, for something that's a lot more important than a car to me, and I don't regret that decision for one single moment. Maybe someday I'll still get a Type IV, but for now, I'm certainly not disappointed with any of my cars or jealous of anybody.
PS: Why a Viper? If you want wow factor... Go for the Ford GT!
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Originally Posted by xsentrixsupra
I am looking more at a 2000-2002 GTS/ACR
That Hyundai wasn't impressive? SRT-10 killer for $4000? Come on
. What mods? hehe. It's got my exact same setup in it from last year, only with one less bolt in the flywheel and an extra intercooler, 2 pounds less of boost, and weighs 1300lbs less. Sure its 100-200mph acceleration won't match a Viper, but you don't get that kind of road anywhere but on a track, so...How 'bout that twin talon? That car's so nice, you have to start it twice.
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I drove my friends Modena and I didn't like it too much........well besides the fact that I felt like a pimp cause I was driving a Ferrari See that Hyundai doesn't impress me too much......because like you said, you can make anything fast, at the end of the day though its still a Hyundai, and I'd be in my viper. You don't race on the freeways much do you? 
a lot of from a roll races I know and see usually go till around 160-170......sometimes higher if the drivers are crazy enough.
See that Hyundai doesn't impress me too much......because like you said, you can make anything fast, at the end of the day though its still a Hyundai, and I'd be in my viper. You don't race on the freeways much do you? a lot of from a roll races I know and see usually go till around 160-170......sometimes higher if the drivers are crazy enough.