I told you the facts. Considering someone else's life? That someone else can't repay the debt? Why not?

 

When working for the Post Office we see it all and let's just say that was nothing.

One carriers route has a family on food stamps that live in a gated community and there house is on the lake.

I had two family's on FS having build-in swimming pool going in.

 

Lets assume that someone is on welfare for 5 years. They then get a job that technically brings them out of welfare recipient status, but just barely. Then you're going to make them pay back the $100,000 that they received? Over what interval? With what minimum payment.


People will take one look at that and say "**** that, I'd rather stay on welfare forever"

 

So? Why should I or anyone else who has taken student loans out repay them (or when it's good enough for us) but not good enough for them?

No one has to give me the .02 on being poor. I've been poor, as in can't eat, can I pay for my $325 mo apartment poor. And hell I grew up like that.
My parents annual income was around $12,000 at one time and while I love my parents they did make some rotten choices which led them to that.

 

Sounds to me like you're just plain selfish.

Is repaying your student loans driving you below the poverty line?

You took out a loan to enhance yourself via education. You come out with marketable skills that will let you get a much better job. Welfare gives no such benefits.

 

what's keeping them from staying on welfare forever now?

when i was laid off several years ago, i went on unemployment for a short month before finding a new job. for me to continue to qualify for unemployment, i had to have proof that i was indeed looking for work. this is unrelated, but i also had to pay taxes on that unemployment at the end of the year, which is funny because it was my money coming back to me anyway, and i had already been taxed on that.

anyhow, i don't know if they do the same with welfare, but if they don't, they should. to stay on welfare, submit proof that you're actually making an attempt to find a job, or getting educated to quality for better jobs. if not, bye bye welfare.

 

Heh.
I did not get a marketable skill in college. I'm not doing what I majored in, in college.

I am selfish, what's mine is mine. What I earned I earned. I do not want to be responsible for those who make bad choices. It's about them shifting responsibility from themselves to someone else.

I dont live paycheck to paycheck but I am not rich either, I do struggle daily in everyway to make sure my bills are taken care of but what I do I do on my own and I support another person right now as well.

 

Do I sense a little bit of unresolved anger towards certain childhood "issues"? Why yes, I do!
Ya know you're really focusing on social welfare programs as financed by taxes way too much. If you think about all of the spending the government does, there's billions upon billions of dollars that are spent on things other than giving it out to our own citizens. If you're that upset about having to pay taxes, you should be pissed off about everything the government is spending money on. I'm sure you paid your fair share of that $87 billion recently approved to help in Iraq, and that was only one military appropriations bill. Everything the government does, you pay for. And no, it's not all "vote buying." You're right in that for the most part legislators are trying to get reelected but if you'd taken any decent political science class in that worthless college education of yours you would know that it is most definitely not the only motivating factor.

Another thing I'd point out is that you've managed to get almost everyone across the entire h-a.net political spectrum to disagree with you. Congratulations.

 

^Thanks.

I was actually a political science major with a 3.5 GPA =). Granted, I am an insufferable Libertarian.
It is vote buying. I remember for the child tax credit, for people who got cut checks when they paid no taxes, the Republicans said fine...but let's change it so that the checks are cut into 1/4th 4 times a yr vs. giving someone a lump sum of money. The Democrats at the time said that was cruel to poor people. It wasn't cruel and there was a logic to it but of course the more liberal crowd instantly went to bat because they know if they can keep their base energized they can count on their vote. It's no different than Bush pandering to the fundies over this gay marriage thing, I'm not even sure he believes it but he wants to count on the vote of the fundies come Election Day.

Oh and I know there is ALOT other government waste, I'm firmly against that as well but this thread was started in reference to welfare abuse. But i know what I'm talking about and I dont come from some wealthy background at all so it's not like I don't know what I'm talking about either.

I also know when it comes to kids and having one people need to use some sense. Having a child is something to plan for, and having sex boom..there's a kid isn't all there is to it either. I am 29 years old, not a prude, have dated but yet have no kids because I know I am even now not ready to accept that in my life. (Just an opinion)

Oh and talking politics, people should realize I Am 1. talking about something that is important to me politically but never take politics personally. I've tried to not reference anyone on this board by name, and even my cloest friends range from fundamentalist Christians, to very liberal Jews, to pro gay rights, pro gun, hard core SOMETHING atheists.

 

Is there any other kind?



I find the idea of libertarian self-government takes a tad.... optimistic view of the intelligence of the average human being on this planet.