welfare abuse *quote from another board*
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Originally Posted by raiden571
that is a good idea, except all the uptight liberals will freak out and have a field day over it and bush would never think of it
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Originally Posted by brtecson
so what about that poor neighboorhood you lived in??:thinking:
crime, for 2001 (i was forced to compare against another city, so i chose ny, ny):
http://www.bestplaces.net/html/crime...ty=9840&view=T
economics, for 2000:
http://www.bridgeport-econ.org/econo...cteristics.htm
demographics, for 2000:
http://www.bridgeport-econ.org/census_demographics.htm
i would classify my family at the time as having been upper-lower class.
unlike most people who have their high and mighty opinions regarding issues such as those discussed in this thread, i have actual firsthand experience of it. no, my family wasn't on public assistance. my parents worked their asses off so that my brother, my sister, and i could go to college. many of my best friends' families were on welfare though. some of them chose to join the armed forces because they'd never be able to afford higher education. some of them just chose not to continue school.
i actually hung out in the "projects", as i had friends that lived there.
i actually wore "hand me downs", just as many of my friends did.
i actually had the misfortune of experiencing gang violence firsthand.
i actually did return bottles/cans for the money.
gunshots were actually fired out in front of my house.
i actually had friends murdered.
do you still want me to detail my life growing up, or is that enough for you?
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I don't think "hand me downs" are an indicator of anything. I wore them. I got things via my brother and younger cousins that had originally been worn by my older cousins (8+ years older)
Where I grew up: http://www.bestplaces.net/html/crime...ty=8596&view=T
Me now: http://www.bestplaces.net/html/crime...ty=8596&view=T
Where I grew up: http://www.bestplaces.net/html/crime...ty=8596&view=T
Me now: http://www.bestplaces.net/html/crime...ty=8596&view=T
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Originally Posted by MrFatbooty
Do we really need to beat into the ground yet again the supposed motivating factors for anyone in particular's views on politics?
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Originally Posted by Vampgrrl
Well when I was in college I wasn't just a broke student, I was typically one inch from being out of the street. I went days without any food to eat at all. I had extenuating circumstances that from 96-97 I didn't have a job. I did make it through just BARELY on student loans which I now have to repay, $22,000!
If to better myself I have to repay this debt why shouldn't welfare aid recipients have to do the same?
I've been on both ends...in 2001 I made $45,000 as a single person no property. And I was taxed about $10,000 in that year alone. I mean to me that's alot of money and b/c being single, no kids, no house...the govt was raking me over the coals as to them I was very wealthy. Political types use tax payer money as vote buying schemes really, that's either handouts, pork, military "pork", whatever. Very little of what's collected actually goes toward what the Constitution of the United States intended for the role of the federal government.
Ever hear of the Earned Income Child credit for taxes? Did you know if you paid little to no taxes, PAID NO TAXES (this is important) and you get a credit for such and such for having a kid, the IRS cuts you a check for money you didn't even pay.
It's free to you but ya know it came out of someone else's pocket? Someone else had to work and earn that money. But what does Congress care..it's a great way to buy votes.
If to better myself I have to repay this debt why shouldn't welfare aid recipients have to do the same?
I've been on both ends...in 2001 I made $45,000 as a single person no property. And I was taxed about $10,000 in that year alone. I mean to me that's alot of money and b/c being single, no kids, no house...the govt was raking me over the coals as to them I was very wealthy. Political types use tax payer money as vote buying schemes really, that's either handouts, pork, military "pork", whatever. Very little of what's collected actually goes toward what the Constitution of the United States intended for the role of the federal government.
Ever hear of the Earned Income Child credit for taxes? Did you know if you paid little to no taxes, PAID NO TAXES (this is important) and you get a credit for such and such for having a kid, the IRS cuts you a check for money you didn't even pay.
It's free to you but ya know it came out of someone else's pocket? Someone else had to work and earn that money. But what does Congress care..it's a great way to buy votes.
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Um....making welfare a loan is a BAD idea. Think of it this way, if a person is poor enough to be on welfare, what makes you think that he/she can ever repay back a loan....even if it's interest free.
Also, you have to remember that once this person gets off welfare and starts making money...that money will go towards basic needs such as rent, food, etc. There is no way to work a monthly welfare repayment back into his/her budget. Then again, this person paying income/sales tax is a way to repay the system.
I guess the point I am trying to make is that welfare is a must. You have to prime the pump on the economy. It's sad that there is abuse, but there's abuse on any system you can think of. Hell, the system is not perfect, but that doesn't mean you need to get rid of it. I agree that there has to be a change to the system, but thus far no one came up with a feasiable solution to the problem.
Also, you have to remember that once this person gets off welfare and starts making money...that money will go towards basic needs such as rent, food, etc. There is no way to work a monthly welfare repayment back into his/her budget. Then again, this person paying income/sales tax is a way to repay the system.
I guess the point I am trying to make is that welfare is a must. You have to prime the pump on the economy. It's sad that there is abuse, but there's abuse on any system you can think of. Hell, the system is not perfect, but that doesn't mean you need to get rid of it. I agree that there has to be a change to the system, but thus far no one came up with a feasiable solution to the problem.
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Originally Posted by Vampgrrl
Well when I was in college I wasn't just a broke student, I was typically one inch from being out of the street. I went days without any food to eat at all. I had extenuating circumstances that from 96-97 I didn't have a job. I did make it through just BARELY on student loans which I now have to repay, $22,000!
If to better myself I have to repay this debt why shouldn't welfare aid recipients have to do the same?
I've been on both ends...in 2001 I made $45,000 as a single person no property. And I was taxed about $10,000 in that year alone. I mean to me that's alot of money and b/c being single, no kids, no house...the govt was raking me over the coals as to them I was very wealthy. Political types use tax payer money as vote buying schemes really, that's either handouts, pork, military "pork", whatever. Very little of what's collected actually goes toward what the Constitution of the United States intended for the role of the federal government.
Ever hear of the Earned Income Child credit for taxes? Did you know if you paid little to no taxes, PAID NO TAXES (this is important) and you get a credit for such and such for having a kid, the IRS cuts you a check for money you didn't even pay.
It's free to you but ya know it came out of someone else's pocket? Someone else had to work and earn that money. But what does Congress care..it's a great way to buy votes.
If to better myself I have to repay this debt why shouldn't welfare aid recipients have to do the same?
I've been on both ends...in 2001 I made $45,000 as a single person no property. And I was taxed about $10,000 in that year alone. I mean to me that's alot of money and b/c being single, no kids, no house...the govt was raking me over the coals as to them I was very wealthy. Political types use tax payer money as vote buying schemes really, that's either handouts, pork, military "pork", whatever. Very little of what's collected actually goes toward what the Constitution of the United States intended for the role of the federal government.
Ever hear of the Earned Income Child credit for taxes? Did you know if you paid little to no taxes, PAID NO TAXES (this is important) and you get a credit for such and such for having a kid, the IRS cuts you a check for money you didn't even pay.
It's free to you but ya know it came out of someone else's pocket? Someone else had to work and earn that money. But what does Congress care..it's a great way to buy votes.
You have to think of it this way, that person gets EIC because he/she has a dependent (s). The amount of credit they get per child is nowhere close to the cost of raising the child. There's no abuse in the system in this regard since the person claiming the child really does have to care for the child. You also have to be at a certain income bracket to be able to get this money on in excess of what you actually paid in taxes. I don't think I've ever seen any one who makes a large amount of money, pays little taxes, and at the same time receive a refund in excess of what he/she paid in taxes since I started doing income tax....and I've been doing income taxes for about 5-6 years.
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Originally Posted by reno96teg
unlike most people who have their high and mighty opinions regarding issues such as those discussed in this thread, i have actual firsthand experience of it. no, my family wasn't on public assistance. my parents worked their asses off so that my brother, my sister, and i could go to college. many of my best friends' families were on welfare though. some of them chose to join the armed forces because they'd never be able to afford higher education. some of them just chose not to continue school.
i'm a college student, making good money working two jobs totalling ~40 hrs per week, so i guess i can say that i made it. you made it out too, so good for you. the difference is that your parents worked to get you guys out of that situation. in my case, my friends cases, and for many people in large urban areas, it is the other way around; we have to help support our working parents. my mother could never make a living on her own. before me, it was my older brother who worked since he was 14 helping support the family, with me to follow in his shoes.
we never recieved any welfare or food stamps or anything of that matter, but what if me and my older brother werent around? would it be ok for my mom and my younger brother to starve?