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Old Nov 7, 2003 | 01:28 PM
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Originally posted by Nightshade
Humans cannot accept perfection as stated in the first Matrix movie as well as in Schwangins previous comment.

If you remember the Matrix was designed with perfection in mind but millions were lost, entire crops destroyed, because humans have to have a certain amount of strife in their lives...its what causes them to fight, to want to live, to make it another day
yes, i realize that. but in theory, they would be able to make it just unperfect enough so that everyone would accept it. i was just saying that the flaw doesn't have to be there, if they find the right equation.
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Old Nov 7, 2003 | 01:28 PM
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not if they make the matrix like one big porn site h:
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Old Nov 7, 2003 | 01:29 PM
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correct... humans need to be "given" a choice, even if it is on a unconcious level... per the Architect again

humans have a flaw, so the Matrix will always have a flaw.
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Old Nov 7, 2003 | 01:29 PM
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Originally posted by Nightshade
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only being truthful h: :naughty:
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Old Nov 7, 2003 | 01:30 PM
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Originally posted by flipped cracka
yes, i realize that. but in theory, they would be able to make it just unperfect enough so that everyone would accept it. i was just saying that the flaw doesn't have to be there, if they find the right equation.
Well since it is all one big computer system you have to realize that any flaw in the system can and will be exploited by someone.

By introducing these flaws no matter how minute someone is going to pick up on it and begin to use these flaws designed into the system against the system itself...much like the Smith virus was used against the system.
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Old Nov 7, 2003 | 01:37 PM
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i'm just thinking about it from a coders view. just like the architect said they were getting exceedingly efficient at destroying zion, they could also get exceedingly better at writing the code of the matrix. he said he counted versions of the matrix from one emergence of an anomaly (neo) to the next. so i see it as everytime a neo came, the matrix was rewritten. maybe it was just in the past, because the first 5 neos went back to the source to do whatever they were supposed to do, and this neo didn't. but i've written a couple of programs, and rewritten them a few times, and each time i rewrote them, they got better. did the same thing, just with less flaws.

cliff notes. i agree that there is a flaw, and that flaw causes neo. but i'm also saying it's possible (maybe not probable) to get rid of the flaw while still maintaining the function of the matrix.
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Old Nov 7, 2003 | 01:44 PM
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Originally posted by flipped cracka
i'm just thinking about it from a coders view. just like the architect said they were getting exceedingly efficient at destroying zion, they could also get exceedingly better at writing the code of the matrix. he said he counted versions of the matrix from one emergence of an anomaly (neo) to the next. so i see it as everytime a neo came, the matrix was rewritten. maybe it was just in the past, because the first 5 neos went back to the source to do whatever they were supposed to do, and this neo didn't. but i've written a couple of programs, and rewritten them a few times, and each time i rewrote them, they got better. did the same thing, just with less flaws.

cliff notes. i agree that there is a flaw, and that flaw causes neo. but i'm also saying it's possible (maybe not probable) to get rid of the flaw while still maintaining the function of the matrix.
Ok I see what your getting at.

One problem with that is that the anomaly must continue....kind of like a backup program or in this case an antivirus program....just in case something does happen the program has to be there to pick up the slack and fix the error.

The machines were originally made by humans, they were given AI programmed by humans...since humans programmed the AI it was made with certain human characteristics such as a lust for power. If it hadn't then why would the machines have revolted in the first place?

This ever so slight imperfection has been honed and passed through generations of machine programming because the machines didn't see it as a flaw but rather as a necessity for self preservation.

The machines are very efficient and as said many times in Reloaded, "When a program faces deletion it will generally go into hiding." This proves that self preservation at any cost neccesary is an inherent design of the system.
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Old Nov 7, 2003 | 01:46 PM
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Originally posted by Nightshade
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think about it though... if people know that they are in a matrix, and that they have the option to be freed, it's human nature that hte majority of them will want to be. the integrity of the matrix lies in the fact that nobody knows they are in a matrix... but if people start just dissapearing from it, as they are brought into the real world, the whole things gonna fall apart. and the people that do stay in the matrix, if they know it's a matrix, at some point should be able to "free their minds" and start jumping from building to building and doing other crazy shit like that... it just wouldn't work. :happysad:
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Old Nov 7, 2003 | 01:51 PM
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Originally posted by kento
think about it though... if people know that they are in a matrix, and that they have the option to be freed, it's human nature that hte majority of them will want to be. the integrity of the matrix lies in the fact that nobody knows they are in a matrix... but if people start just dissapearing from it, as they are brought into the real world, the whole things gonna fall apart. and the people that do stay in the matrix, if they know it's a matrix, at some point should be able to "free their minds" and start jumping from building to building and doing other crazy shit like that... it just wouldn't work. :happysad:
i think Sipher was a great example of this. he was freed, and he didnt like it, so he wanted to go back. i think that some people will just accept the code and go about their "lives" just cause they have the choice now doesnt mean everyone is going to take it, its like Smith said in the first one, its about having equilibrium with they surrounding environment. i think the Free people and the Matrix people will equal out, and there will be a balance.
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Old Nov 7, 2003 | 01:52 PM
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Originally posted by kento
think about it though... if people know that they are in a matrix, and that they have the option to be freed, it's human nature that hte majority of them will want to be. the integrity of the matrix lies in the fact that nobody knows they are in a matrix... but if people start just dissapearing from it, as they are brought into the real world, the whole things gonna fall apart. and the people that do stay in the matrix, if they know it's a matrix, at some point should be able to "free their minds" and start jumping from building to building and doing other crazy shit like that... it just wouldn't work. :happysad:
But then the system would compensate for the loss of people automatically.

You have to remember there is no idea of how many people in the Matrix are "rats in a cage" and how many others are computer generated, because as the Oracle said, "The best programs are the ones you don't even know are running."
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