Shut the fuck up.

 

I disagree. I think that it takes an incredible amount of arrogance to think that your belief is the correct one. Especially when there are hundreds of cultures out there that don't have the same belief as you. What makes your belief right and their belief wrong? Some culture believe in god and heaven, some believe in many gods and reincarnation, while others (atheists) believe in no god and no heaven. I think that it is incredibly arrogant to say that your belief is right and their belief is wrong. All we can say about god for sure is that we don't know. If you choose one belief over the other then that's fine. I have no problem with that. I choose to believe in facts and (for me) the facts point to there not being a god (or possibly there being a god but we have no proof of his/her existence and therefore no reason to believe in him/her). For me the facts are that every human civilization has made up god(s) to explain things that they didn't understand. We are now at a point where we are able to explain these things and because of this there is no use for the belief in god(s). Unfortunately, these beliefs have become such an integral part of our culture that some people are having a very hard time letting these old beliefs go. I personally find it ignorant to believe in the bible when at the very least it has been extremely tampered with by men with a political agenda. Even if there is a god and the gospels were complete fact at one point in time it is apparent that they are now more fiction then fact. This has been proven, at the very least, by matching up dates with events and seeing that the time line set forth in the bible extremely inaccurate. That is my problem with Christianity. But like I said I don't have a problem with other people believing in it, just don't try to pass it off as fact to those that don't believe in it.

With the way the world is heading I honestly believe that in the not to distant future no one will believe in god anymore. Honestly, I like the idea of their being a god and heaven. It gives me something to look forward to and makes death less scary. But at the same time I think that that is part of the reason people invented god. We know that we are going to die and it makes in less scary for us. Again, this is just my belief. I certainly don't think I am arrogant and I thought it was extremely ignorant of you to say that atheists are either arrogant or stupid.

 

Egocentrism is everywhere.

 

I have a difficult time putting my faith into things that cannot be disproved.

The existence of "God" happens to be one of them. The teachings of Freud are number two.

 

time to give on-topic some traffic.

:wavey:

 

You got that right


Religion = Why

Science = How

There is no reason why they cannot co-exist.

 

hah. oh well. Was hoping this wouldn't get out of hand. But it did. :dunno:

 

Separately. Together it becomes a mess.

 

Man, this got mish-mashed...if the mods are going to just dump this Basment plagued puke into On-Topic, please weed out the non-sense. I don't even know where to start. This should have been locked or deleted.

 

I went back and read...hoping to find a credible argument.

I can't tell you how well you nailed that on the head. As I was reading this, word for word, my argument is identicle to your response.

Dead on 100%

*edit*...and all that nonsense afterwards, I'm not at all suprised this individual is avoiding the thread — and now it's been moved so I doubt this will take on the same responses from anyone thats participated.

Regardless, government needs to be 100% secular. Thomas Jefferson himself was critisized for his secularism...there are millions of quotes that critisize his credibility because of his beliefs. Yet, to defy him, you defy our nation.

"Is uniformity attainable? Millions of innocent men, women and children, since the introduction of Christianity, have been burnt, tortured, fined, imprisoned; yet we have not advanced an inch towards uniformity. What has been the effect of coercion? To make one half the world fools, and the other half hypocrites. To support roguery and error all over the earth." - Thomas Jefferson, from "Notes on Virginia"

"It is too late in the day for men of sincerity to pretend they believe in the Platonic mysticisms that three are one, and one is three; and yet that the one is not three, and the three are not one. But this constitutes the craft, the power and the profit of the priests." - Thomas Jefferson to John Adams, 1803

"On the dogmas of religion, as distinguished from moral principles, all mankind, from the beginning of the world to this day, have been quarreling, fighting, burning and torturing one another, for abstractions unintelligible to themselves and to all others, and absolutely beyond the comprehension of the human mind." - Thomas Jefferson to Carey, 1816

Hmmm...Thomas Jefferson...agnostic? even ATHEIST???

"Shake off all the fears of servile prejudices, under which weak minds are servilely crouched. Fix reason firmly in her seat, and call on her tribunal for every fact, every opinion. Question with boldness even the existence of a God; because, if there be one, he must more approve of the homage of reason than that of blindfolded fear." - Thomas Jefferson, letter to Peter Carr, Aug. 10, 1787

and my favorite:

"History I believe furnishes no example of a priest-ridden people maintaining a free civil government. This marks the lowest grade of ignorance, of which their political as well as religious leaders will always avail themselves for their own purpose." - Thomas Jefferson to Baron von Humboldt, 1813

I can go on and on....

Thomas Jefferson...a Liberal...and IMHO, a big fan of the ACLU