I totally see your(sadhonda) points, but since the warranty is out, you'll have to live with it or sell it, and I guess that is the bottom line.

Although other Honda's are built well, I'm sure that this experience will not make you buy a Honda ever again; IF the same thing happened to me, I would definately wouldnt buy a Honda again either even though I know that other Hondas are built better. You remind me of a guy on the net who bought an NSX, S2000 and a Honda scooter. The scooter broke down, and the guy got really crappy service(they didnt fix it the 2nd time or something), so decided to sell all 3 and complain to Honda and posted it on the net.

Despite what fastball says, I think many companies make far better sport utes than the passport. Just check out this 8 SUV comparison by edmunds with the passport finishing-you guessed it-dead last.

http://www.edmunds.com/reviews/compa...4/article.html

 

I checked that list..... domestic sport utes are far inferior to the Pilot. They are not as smooth, not nearly as well put together, are recall prone, and will not last nearly as long as a Pilot. Mark my words and we'll talk five years from now. The only other decent vehicle worth looking at is the Nissan Pathfinder. They put way too much emphasis on features, which are a useless rating if you ask me. Intelligent shopers care less about power dodads and more about quality.

 

You keep talking about the Honda Pilot. It's a sharp looking rig. I look at it though and think "oh god....not again!" It's too bad Honda has put such a bad taste in my mouth. I used to swear by Honda, even though I know virtually nothing about cars. But now even the thought of buying a Honda, let alone another of their SUV's, makes me cringe. I'm sure they have enough believers to keep them in business, but damn.......it's too bad they have to have a few who just dont believe in them anymore. I dont imagine they send a lot of lemons off their assembly lines but I got one, $17,000.00 later and that hurts. I'm just not willing to take the chance again. And it has to do with ethics too. If Honda cant go into Isuzu and pay cash out of pocket for parts, which anyone can do, and get the parts to repair these vehicles without depending on warranty, without expecting a kick back from Isuzu, then Honda is in the wrong. They need to take it in the tail pipe for these lemons they put out. They need to pay cash, (part of the profits for the car I bought) and fix their Passports. There's just not enough morals and ethics in businesses these days.

 

OH....and it just figures that the Passport comes in last in the ratings. and I didnt buy this car for power doodads... I bought it for quality because it was........you guessed it.....a HONDA!

 

I dont think I would say that domestic sport utes are 'far superior', but looking in that class, the Pilot is the best overall; it'll probably sit on C&D 5BEST for the longest longest time. Ofcourse other domestic utes will offer more in other areas such as off road capability and cost of replacement parts. How long these trucks last; well, only time will tell, but GM trucks seem to last forever. But I still think that other SUVs, particularly toyota, Nissan, and GM will be quite good. I think i predicted that the Pilot is really gonna shake up the market along with the Oddessey, theyll probably sell every one that they make for the next 2 years.

Coming back to the passport, I would also look for other discussion forums where u can see how others handled their problems with the car. Ofcourse it wont be easy finding a Passport enthusiast site!

 

1. Edmunds reviews are almost always domestic biased.

2. Domestic SUV's have recalls up the wazzu..... even the new Envoy was just recalled for some fuel line problem.

3. All domestic sport utes are overpriced, which is why you can get 3,000.00 off and you can barely get 500.00 off a pilot. Even when the newness wears off, the most you get off a Honda 1,500.00. Go to a GMC, Ford, Chevy dealer...... they're all just sitting there because after people drive the Pilot and any other back to back, they'd wait 4 months and pay sticker for a Pilot.

 

Come on now. I own an Isuzu Rodeo ('99) and it has been the best vehicle I own. There is absolutely nothing wrong with it. I have fixed way more crap on my two Accords than on it. Also, when I pop the hood, I see a V6 engine that looks strikingly similar to that of an Accord V6. I bought it BECAUSE it was alot cheaper that a Passport. Also on "review" sites, the Rodeo 9 times out of 10 get a higher rating. Just my .02

 

the engine is an isuzu...not honda quality

 

I really am sorry the Passport ruined your taste for Honda. All I can say is look at each member of Honda-Acura.net. Read some of their posts in other forums. We are all very elated and passionate about the Honda vehicles we own, or wish we could afford. I don't think I've ever seen a person with a bonafide Honda vehicle have MAJOR complaints or disdain for the vehicle. Having said that, I'm not trying to persuade you to buy another Honda..... you do what you want, I don't work for the company, I could care less, really. But you are depriving yourself a true representation of the company if you never buy a Honda again. They are superb vehicles in every way. It doesn't matter if you take a 16,000.00 Civic or a 32,000.00 Acura CL-S. The cars do what they are designed and advertised to do, they are seamlessly put together, and they are as reliable as the sun rise every morning. You may want to think about the next vehicle you buy, if it has the reputation of REAL Hondas.

 

Helloo fastball...anyway, I dont think Edmunds is biased toward american cars at all; if they are biased, it would be toward BMWs. Just check out their comparisons. BUT, I think there rating system is WACKED..i mean how did a 150hp Golf GTI finish 2nd/6th in a Sport Coupe test!??

And I guess my point about midsize SUVs is that other companies make pretty good SUVs, which offer some things that the pilot does not, but I do agree that the Pilot is the best one overall.

Oh yes, the notorious recalls of american cars...you know what they said about FORD=First On Recall Day

Oh, and i just wanted to mention that my posts were not trying to knock the Rodeo, but lets face it, the Rodeo was not designed to be tarted up and weighed down to compete in the near luxury SUV market.