You keep talking about the Honda Pilot. It's a sharp looking rig. I look at it though and think "oh god....not again!" It's too bad Honda has put such a bad taste in my mouth. I used to swear by Honda, even though I know virtually nothing about cars. But now even the thought of buying a Honda, let alone another of their SUV's, makes me cringe. I'm sure they have enough believers to keep them in business, but damn.......it's too bad they have to have a few who just dont believe in them anymore. I dont imagine they send a lot of lemons off their assembly lines but I got one, $17,000.00 later and that hurts. I'm just not willing to take the chance again. And it has to do with ethics too. If Honda cant go into Isuzu and pay cash out of pocket for parts, which anyone can do, and get the parts to repair these vehicles without depending on warranty, without expecting a kick back from Isuzu, then Honda is in the wrong. They need to take it in the tail pipe for these lemons they put out. They need to pay cash, (part of the profits for the car I bought) and fix their Passports. There's just not enough morals and ethics in businesses these days.