Upper Ball Joint Question
Have you had you car alinged? Usually tire wear on the inside espically if it happens very quickly is due to inccorect toe, not camber, also if you car is lowered I have seen several people have issues with the Skunk2/Omni upper a-arms hitting the chassis by the shock tower... which is not a good thing.
Toe is adjustable on all Honda's from the factory and is usually the main culprit in killing tires fast.
Toe is adjustable on all Honda's from the factory and is usually the main culprit in killing tires fast.
Yes, I have had my car aligned. The toe is quite fine, camber is the thing which is not ok... I could scan the results from the measurement here, but I´m so dumb with these computer things, that I´m not sure how to do it..
just type it in word for word.....put it in a format like...
front left toe .003
front right toe .006
front total toe .009 etc.....
we all can tell you what is going on by those measurements.
front left toe .003
front right toe .006
front total toe .009 etc.....
we all can tell you what is going on by those measurements.
Ok...
That´s surely the easiest way...
Front Toe: Left, -0,20. Right, -0,40. Total -0,60. (Normative -0,2 -- +0,2.)
Front Camber: Left, -3,1. Right, -1,8. (Normative between -1,0 -- +1,0)
Front Caster: Left, 2,7. Right, 2,1. (Normative between 0,5-2,5)
Rear Toe: Left, 0,00. Right, 0,15. Total 0,15. (Normative between 0,15 - 0,25)
Rear Camber: Left, -3,5. Right, -3,5. (Normative between -1,7 -- +0,3)
So there are the results... Cambers are really bad, any other comments?
The front toe is a bit out of range, but not as much as camber.. I think that should be fixed at the same time than cambers also, but first I have to buy those bloody control arms...
That´s surely the easiest way...Front Toe: Left, -0,20. Right, -0,40. Total -0,60. (Normative -0,2 -- +0,2.)
Front Camber: Left, -3,1. Right, -1,8. (Normative between -1,0 -- +1,0)
Front Caster: Left, 2,7. Right, 2,1. (Normative between 0,5-2,5)
Rear Toe: Left, 0,00. Right, 0,15. Total 0,15. (Normative between 0,15 - 0,25)
Rear Camber: Left, -3,5. Right, -3,5. (Normative between -1,7 -- +0,3)
So there are the results... Cambers are really bad, any other comments?
The front toe is a bit out of range, but not as much as camber.. I think that should be fixed at the same time than cambers also, but first I have to buy those bloody control arms...
So, did anyone have opinions about the measurements?
The numbers that I typed at the recent message are degrees, not millimetres or inches. I thought to mention that only to make it clear, if you have other ways to measure in U.S.
The numbers that I typed at the recent message are degrees, not millimetres or inches. I thought to mention that only to make it clear, if you have other ways to measure in U.S.
your camber is out of spec and so is your toe. your vehicle should be pulling right pretty good due to camber and caster. i deally you would want your camber and caster to be within .5 of each other. more then .5 might cause a pull to the less cambered/caster side.
as for your toe.....are you sure you dont mean 0.02? you said 0.2 there is a huge diffrence between those numbers. if you have 0.60 (total toe) then that is why your tires are wearing. 0.06 is more acceptable and shouldnt have a problem with your tires wearing.
your camber is ideal for a racing setup so to say. just get the values to about -1.5 with a -.5 cross camber. i would actually say that something is bent in the left front. -3.1 is huge....every car i have ever lowered....the max is always around -2.0.
as for your toe.....are you sure you dont mean 0.02? you said 0.2 there is a huge diffrence between those numbers. if you have 0.60 (total toe) then that is why your tires are wearing. 0.06 is more acceptable and shouldnt have a problem with your tires wearing.
your camber is ideal for a racing setup so to say. just get the values to about -1.5 with a -.5 cross camber. i would actually say that something is bent in the left front. -3.1 is huge....every car i have ever lowered....the max is always around -2.0.
No, I typed it as it is, toe is -0,20 at the left side, and -0,40 at the right side... So that´s -0,60 total... Could that be the reason only, or camber and toe together? Toe should be adjustable in all cars, am I right? So if that would be my only problem in the tire wearing, I don´t have to buy those upper control arms necessarily? The car is perfect to drive, it doesn´t pull at all... What do you think, that could be bent?
well it is the combination of the two together p[lus also lack of raotats as well. with camber yuou are just riding on the edge of the tire. with toe you are basically grinding the tire. toe is the angle of your tires outward or inward as viewed from the top of the car looking down. camber is the angle of your tires outward or inward when viewed from the fronmt of the vehicle.
i would have a shop just adjust toe for now. rotate your tires front to rear. vehicle will act diffrently with the newer (or diffrent tread i shoul say) on the front. it might start pulling to the right once this is done because your camber caster angles are greqater then .5 for a cross.
as for what might be bent? it could be a variety of things. there are more angles besides camber/caster/toe. but those are normally the adjustable ones and toe is the only adjustable one on a your honda. a printout might not print out all of the angles.....but those angles can tell if a control arm is more likley bent...or upper control arm is bent...etc.
could be a saggy spring on the right side, upper control arm...lower control arm or ven a bent hub.
adjust toe and you should be able to get more life out of your tires...also rotoate every 5,000 or so. this way that -3.5 camber will get distrubuted to all of your tires.
i would have a shop just adjust toe for now. rotate your tires front to rear. vehicle will act diffrently with the newer (or diffrent tread i shoul say) on the front. it might start pulling to the right once this is done because your camber caster angles are greqater then .5 for a cross.
as for what might be bent? it could be a variety of things. there are more angles besides camber/caster/toe. but those are normally the adjustable ones and toe is the only adjustable one on a your honda. a printout might not print out all of the angles.....but those angles can tell if a control arm is more likley bent...or upper control arm is bent...etc.
could be a saggy spring on the right side, upper control arm...lower control arm or ven a bent hub.
adjust toe and you should be able to get more life out of your tires...also rotoate every 5,000 or so. this way that -3.5 camber will get distrubuted to all of your tires.


