93 hatch, B20, CTR header, Tanabe cat-back... how will I connect 'em???
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Originally posted by westcoaststyle
You forgot to remember? :chuckles:
Gotta love it when you get hookups that most people are unaware of.
Your build looks good man. Any plans for boost?
You forgot to remember? :chuckles:
Gotta love it when you get hookups that most people are unaware of.
Your build looks good man. Any plans for boost?
"I forgot to remember"... what the hell was I thinking when I typed that?
As for boost, I am running the B20 right now just so that I have something somewhat fun to roll in while I build my other motor. I have a B18b1 block that I am building for F/I.
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If your going with a test pipe, I'm assuming emissions aren't an issue where you live. I put a test pipe on my hybrid for about a week. The exhaust went from deep and loud to fartty and loud and I couldn't take it. Sounded to me like every Neon and Cavailier around here who punches holes in their muffler to sound cool. I put the cat back on and sold the pipe to somebody.
I don't think a CTR header will be overkill (a bad choice of words on my part, sorry) but I though maybe you went hunting for one and paid like $500 for it. Without the insanely high rpm range and breathing capabilities of VTEC cams, your probably not going to push enough exhaust out of that head to really see the benefit of the larger pipes and big collector. Still should work fine, but probably isn't going to really shine above a good smaller/cheaper DC header.
I though about the clearance issues too but didn't post anything. I've heard the B16B was a destroked B18C spec R block, rather than a B16A block with higher comrpession pistons but I've never seen one to really know for sure. If you tested fitted it, I'd like to know the results.
If you don't mind me asking, is your B20 a JDM engine? I have a B18C1 tranny from my hybrid left from parting my motor out and I've been thinking of buying a USDM B20Z (or at least trying to find one) and putting it into my '98 Civic EX. I don't really want to have to convert back to OBD I and use a JDM engine but I haven't had much look finding USDM B20's. I may just say piss on it and and buy an adaptor harness but probably not till after winter (I don't have a heated garage).
I don't think a CTR header will be overkill (a bad choice of words on my part, sorry) but I though maybe you went hunting for one and paid like $500 for it. Without the insanely high rpm range and breathing capabilities of VTEC cams, your probably not going to push enough exhaust out of that head to really see the benefit of the larger pipes and big collector. Still should work fine, but probably isn't going to really shine above a good smaller/cheaper DC header.
I though about the clearance issues too but didn't post anything. I've heard the B16B was a destroked B18C spec R block, rather than a B16A block with higher comrpession pistons but I've never seen one to really know for sure. If you tested fitted it, I'd like to know the results.
If you don't mind me asking, is your B20 a JDM engine? I have a B18C1 tranny from my hybrid left from parting my motor out and I've been thinking of buying a USDM B20Z (or at least trying to find one) and putting it into my '98 Civic EX. I don't really want to have to convert back to OBD I and use a JDM engine but I haven't had much look finding USDM B20's. I may just say piss on it and and buy an adaptor harness but probably not till after winter (I don't have a heated garage).
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Originally posted by Andy
If your going with a test pipe, I'm assuming emissions aren't an issue where you live. I put a test pipe on my hybrid for about a week. The exhaust went from deep and loud to fartty and loud and I couldn't take it. Well, I live in southern CA, so emissions are an issue, but I don't really give a shit. I don't have another smog for over about a year. As far as the exhaust note, I was very worried about it being too farty sounding with a test pipe as well, but I spoke with another dood who was running almost the same setup (ITR vs CTR header, which is the same thing, and the same Tanabe cat-back, and he said it was loud but wasn't farty). I guess I'll have to find out. *crosses fingers*
I don't think a CTR header will be overkill (a bad choice of words on my part, sorry) but I though maybe you went hunting for one and paid like $500 for it. Without the insanely high rpm range and breathing capabilities of VTEC cams, your probably not going to push enough exhaust out of that head to really see the benefit of the larger pipes and big collector. Still should work fine, but probably isn't going to really shine above a good smaller/cheaper DC header. Well, I agree with you there brotha. But if you came up on the deal that I did, it makes a DC header price sound overly expensive. In other words, I paid a ridiculously miniscule amount for the header that most heads are paying a grip for.
I though about the clearance issues too but didn't post anything. I've heard the B16B was a destroked B18C spec R block, rather than a B16A block with higher comrpession pistons but I've never seen one to really know for sure. If you tested fitted it, I'd like to know the results. I test fitted it last night. In fact, the header is still attached to the motor on the stand right now, and it fits perfectly. Sits rather close to the block/oil pan and all, but no touching. I guess it is a destroked 1.8-R block (I was told that the CTR motor has the same deck height as a 1.8, so its one of the two or both I guess).
If you don't mind me asking, is your B20 a JDM engine? I have a B18C1 tranny from my hybrid left from parting my motor out and I've been thinking of buying a USDM B20Z (or at least trying to find one) and putting it into my '98 Civic EX. I don't really want to have to convert back to OBD I and use a JDM engine but I haven't had much look finding USDM B20's. I may just say piss on it and and buy an adaptor harness but probably not till after winter (I don't have a heated garage).My motor is a JDM B20b. Why would you have to convert back to obd-1? Just check whatever motor distributor you get your shit from, and get an obd-2 B20. My B20 is a 96. We just used my LS throttle body and intake manifold to make it work with my wire harness (I had a 94 b181 in there before. That and it will be run by the factory LS computer. Am I missing something, or isn't it that simple?
If your going with a test pipe, I'm assuming emissions aren't an issue where you live. I put a test pipe on my hybrid for about a week. The exhaust went from deep and loud to fartty and loud and I couldn't take it. Well, I live in southern CA, so emissions are an issue, but I don't really give a shit. I don't have another smog for over about a year. As far as the exhaust note, I was very worried about it being too farty sounding with a test pipe as well, but I spoke with another dood who was running almost the same setup (ITR vs CTR header, which is the same thing, and the same Tanabe cat-back, and he said it was loud but wasn't farty). I guess I'll have to find out. *crosses fingers*
I don't think a CTR header will be overkill (a bad choice of words on my part, sorry) but I though maybe you went hunting for one and paid like $500 for it. Without the insanely high rpm range and breathing capabilities of VTEC cams, your probably not going to push enough exhaust out of that head to really see the benefit of the larger pipes and big collector. Still should work fine, but probably isn't going to really shine above a good smaller/cheaper DC header. Well, I agree with you there brotha. But if you came up on the deal that I did, it makes a DC header price sound overly expensive. In other words, I paid a ridiculously miniscule amount for the header that most heads are paying a grip for.
I though about the clearance issues too but didn't post anything. I've heard the B16B was a destroked B18C spec R block, rather than a B16A block with higher comrpession pistons but I've never seen one to really know for sure. If you tested fitted it, I'd like to know the results. I test fitted it last night. In fact, the header is still attached to the motor on the stand right now, and it fits perfectly. Sits rather close to the block/oil pan and all, but no touching. I guess it is a destroked 1.8-R block (I was told that the CTR motor has the same deck height as a 1.8, so its one of the two or both I guess).
If you don't mind me asking, is your B20 a JDM engine? I have a B18C1 tranny from my hybrid left from parting my motor out and I've been thinking of buying a USDM B20Z (or at least trying to find one) and putting it into my '98 Civic EX. I don't really want to have to convert back to OBD I and use a JDM engine but I haven't had much look finding USDM B20's. I may just say piss on it and and buy an adaptor harness but probably not till after winter (I don't have a heated garage).My motor is a JDM B20b. Why would you have to convert back to obd-1? Just check whatever motor distributor you get your shit from, and get an obd-2 B20. My B20 is a 96. We just used my LS throttle body and intake manifold to make it work with my wire harness (I had a 94 b181 in there before. That and it will be run by the factory LS computer. Am I missing something, or isn't it that simple?
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That's cool that everything fits, I was thinking it might not but I didn't know for sure.
The car I want to put the B20 into is a '98, OBDII. I've looked (although not very hard) and most of the time I can only find JDM/OBD I engines. I was hoping to find a '99+ B20Z (higher compression) but I've been told their rare and hard to find. If I did find a USDM engine, I would still need to find my own OBD II LS ECU and an intake manifold. I found a guy who claimed to have OBD II manual LS ECU's and '96-'98 EK harness laying around I offered to buy one but he stopped emailing me back (just wanted the harness to allow me to wire the engine with my stock motor still in the car, only car right now). Emissions are not an issue here so older motor in newer car doesn't matter here so I might just go with a JDM engine and a conversion harness and OBD I LS ECU. Like I said, all plans are on hold till spring anyway so I'm not worried.
The car I want to put the B20 into is a '98, OBDII. I've looked (although not very hard) and most of the time I can only find JDM/OBD I engines. I was hoping to find a '99+ B20Z (higher compression) but I've been told their rare and hard to find. If I did find a USDM engine, I would still need to find my own OBD II LS ECU and an intake manifold. I found a guy who claimed to have OBD II manual LS ECU's and '96-'98 EK harness laying around I offered to buy one but he stopped emailing me back (just wanted the harness to allow me to wire the engine with my stock motor still in the car, only car right now). Emissions are not an issue here so older motor in newer car doesn't matter here so I might just go with a JDM engine and a conversion harness and OBD I LS ECU. Like I said, all plans are on hold till spring anyway so I'm not worried.
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Originally posted by Andy
The car I want to put the B20 into is a '98, OBDII. I've looked (although not very hard) and most of the time I can only find JDM/OBD I engines. I was hoping to find a '99+ B20Z (higher compression)Yea, it has a 9.6:1 comp. That and it has LS cams in it. With the motor that I got, since I couldn't find one either, I just put in my LS cams to help make up the difference for now. but I've been told their rare and hard to find.That is true, but its not really all that worth the trouble, IF you can put in LS cams If I did find a USDM engine, I would still need to find my own OBD II LS ECU and an intake manifold. I found a guy who claimed to have OBD II manual LS ECU's and '96-'98 EK harness laying around I offered to buy one but he stopped emailing me back (just wanted the harness to allow me to wire the engine with my stock motor still in the car, only car right now). Emissions are not an issue here so older motor in newer car doesn't matter here so I might just go with a JDM engine and a conversion harness and OBD I LS ECU. Like I said, all plans are on hold till spring anyway so I'm not worried.Well, you know you can pick up a conversion harness for next to nothing nowadays, so I know it isn't a big deal. Besides, I am aware of the temp. over there, so I can understand why your putting it on hold. No heater in your garage? Brrrrrrrrrr...
The car I want to put the B20 into is a '98, OBDII. I've looked (although not very hard) and most of the time I can only find JDM/OBD I engines. I was hoping to find a '99+ B20Z (higher compression)Yea, it has a 9.6:1 comp. That and it has LS cams in it. With the motor that I got, since I couldn't find one either, I just put in my LS cams to help make up the difference for now. but I've been told their rare and hard to find.That is true, but its not really all that worth the trouble, IF you can put in LS cams If I did find a USDM engine, I would still need to find my own OBD II LS ECU and an intake manifold. I found a guy who claimed to have OBD II manual LS ECU's and '96-'98 EK harness laying around I offered to buy one but he stopped emailing me back (just wanted the harness to allow me to wire the engine with my stock motor still in the car, only car right now). Emissions are not an issue here so older motor in newer car doesn't matter here so I might just go with a JDM engine and a conversion harness and OBD I LS ECU. Like I said, all plans are on hold till spring anyway so I'm not worried.Well, you know you can pick up a conversion harness for next to nothing nowadays, so I know it isn't a big deal. Besides, I am aware of the temp. over there, so I can understand why your putting it on hold. No heater in your garage? Brrrrrrrrrr...
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Your killing me with that type in the quote responses.
I've seen a few USDM B20B with the lower compression pistons but I don't know if I want to mess with them. I could always upgrade but I kind of want something that will run just out of the box. I may end up going that route someday, I don't know yet.
I've spend the last 3 winters bundled up in about every old sweatshirt and jacket I own rebuilding or tearing down my hybrid. This is the first winter I will be without and I'm kinda mixed on it. I'm happy to not be forced out into the cold but at the time, I kinda miss it. I'll probably end up with an OBD I ECU and a conversion harness but who knows at this point. I'll worry about all that later.
I've seen a few USDM B20B with the lower compression pistons but I don't know if I want to mess with them. I could always upgrade but I kind of want something that will run just out of the box. I may end up going that route someday, I don't know yet.
I've spend the last 3 winters bundled up in about every old sweatshirt and jacket I own rebuilding or tearing down my hybrid. This is the first winter I will be without and I'm kinda mixed on it. I'm happy to not be forced out into the cold but at the time, I kinda miss it. I'll probably end up with an OBD I ECU and a conversion harness but who knows at this point. I'll worry about all that later.
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Originally posted by Andy
Your killing me with that type in the quote responses.
I've seen a few USDM B20B with the lower compression pistons but I don't know if I want to mess with them. I could always upgrade but I kind of want something that will run just out of the box. I may end up going that route someday, I don't know yet.
I've spend the last 3 winters bundled up in about every old sweatshirt and jacket I own rebuilding or tearing down my hybrid. This is the first winter I will be without and I'm kinda mixed on it. I'm happy to not be forced out into the cold but at the time, I kinda miss it. I'll probably end up with an OBD I ECU and a conversion harness but who knows at this point. I'll worry about all that later.
Your killing me with that type in the quote responses.
I've seen a few USDM B20B with the lower compression pistons but I don't know if I want to mess with them. I could always upgrade but I kind of want something that will run just out of the box. I may end up going that route someday, I don't know yet.
I've spend the last 3 winters bundled up in about every old sweatshirt and jacket I own rebuilding or tearing down my hybrid. This is the first winter I will be without and I'm kinda mixed on it. I'm happy to not be forced out into the cold but at the time, I kinda miss it. I'll probably end up with an OBD I ECU and a conversion harness but who knows at this point. I'll worry about all that later.
Once you get in to the habit of doing something enough times (3 winters? That'll do it...), it can be hard to stop. As we both of know, picking up an LS obd-1 ECU should be easy and cheap, as well a conversion harness. That would be the easiest route for you.