Milan Dragway

They do, just on their more expensive cars.

 

If AWD was superior than more race series would be using it other than rally. AWD is better than RWD in the following circumstance: launching two factory cars from the showroom on stock rubber. Hot Rod magazine compared a 2003 Cobra and Subaru WRX and the WRX ran 13.29 VS the Cobra's 13.30 (BTW Grandma must have been driving the Cobra because Mustangs and FF ran a Cobra CONVERTABLE to a 12.778) Whatever........that's not what I'm debating, the WRX gets grip for sure. That race was showing how AWD is better for stock cars, but we then see RWD Mustangs Camaro's and the like to pull 9 and 10 sec times on the strip well past the abilities of heavier AWD cars within the same class specs.

AWD is not as fast at high speeds either because too much power is lost in the drivetrain, so on a high speed race course like Daytona (where the Grand Sport Class races by the way) an AWD car could not post the high speeds needed to win.

I see people mention about being "lighter" on this board a lot so I wonder why AWD is mentioned considering the weight to add that additional traction? You can add drag springs and control arms to a RWD car actualy reducing that car's weight with lighter materials and destroy an AWD car.

Don't quote me as saying AWD is no good, but it won't be replacing RWD anytime soon for racing applications.

 

stock suspension, half-bald Kuhmo Ecsta Supra 712s, took the spare out (left the jack in), 12K mile old clutch, and 152K miles. Everything was stock except for the muffler. BTW, I put down 142hp at the wheels with fouled plugs, rotted plug wires, and oil in my plug holes. I have no doubts that with good ignition equipment, I'd be around 150whp

 

I get what you're saying. I'll agree RWD is certainly superior for drag racing at least, and most of the exotics few of us can afford are RWD, too. I've had both RWD & FWD, and FWD is definately more of a handful. My old school/low tech. Ford with 270+? H.P., just needed a little rubber out back, and it was good to go at launch.

 

awd is better at the drag stip and there are awd cars that do run 9's and 10's. the only problem is that import comanies are staying with the smaller engine and they for the majority make the awd cars. Ive seen 7 second skylines that are still running full interior and thats out of a 3 liter compared to your camaro 5.7. Awd is better for extremlly high horsepower numbers, and a rwd car running slicks and tuned suspension and a awd car wiht slicks and tunned suspension the awd wil get faster 60ft's it's just how it is

 

No you misread my statement, he said rolling races are a crutch for people who can't launch, which in turn I said it's also for people with over 140hp.

 

starting from a roll is for people with torque.


Starting from 5-10 MPH is a better representation of what the car can do, not just the driver. When I race my friends, we go from a stop (through all gears), then a second-gear ONLY pull from 10 MPH, then possibly a 3rd gear only from 40.

Yes, it's a little over structured, but you can really see where the strengths and weakness of the car are. From a stop, the higher HP has the advantage. The second-gear pull usually goes to the more torquey.

 

second gear pulls fomr 10mph is stupid it's not practicle rpms at all thats a low low end torque and not a true comaprrison at all that like less then 2000 rpm for me when i make all my power up around 5000

 

Actually... a second gear pull from 10 MPH isn't stupid at all.

It's hard to compare the torque of two cars when racing, unless something like this is used. We are already observing the horsepower difference by the standard straight-line, high RPM drag. Why not compare something that we can use everyday, like low end torque? We all will occaisionally leave it in 2nd when slowing way down...

I'm not sure what kind of car you drive, twin3037, but I'd rather NOT wait for 5000 rpms to feel like I'm acclerating. This may just be a difference in opinion, but I'd rather get slammed into the back of my seat at 1800 rpm, instead of getting a slow increasing pull. That feeling can only come from something with low-end.

Maybe it's that I take a completely different view of racing. It's all in fun to me. Every car is different, and I like to see what it can do when in that sort of situation.

 

Any jerk can throw money at his car and make it fast. Having a fast car is nothing. Racing ought to be about the driver and how well he can control his car. In drag racing that best test of that is the launch.