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Old Jun 10, 2004 | 07:20 PM
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Originally Posted by polakatl
thank you someone said it!!!! The gains all companies list are usually the ones from a vehicle that achieved the most. I'm sure AEM got 10hp from a car that had crappy intake and really benefited from it. Gude probably got their 50 or 48 on a car that really needed it. Bottom line is that you will not see gains anywhere near what you expect. I don't want to be an ass, but your hp calculations and expectations are huge. You want to get a gude that gives 50hp and turba that gives +100hp to have 300 hp. You will never see 300hp, I can assure you that right now. The only way you will even break 200 is if you get a turbo.

The gude package for the f23/22 WILL NOT GET YOU 50hp. Its liek when u mess around with high hp motors such as big domestics. You change one minor thing and the power flies up tremendously. Well honda put a lot of engineering to squeeze every once of power from their small motors and there just isn't too much we can simply do to the engines to get more. Thats why almost everyone here will tell you to get a turbo becasue that is the only thing that will show significant gains. I'm sure you can get a lot more if someone built your engine proffesionally but few have that kinda cash. Forget about gude man.
First off dude, i never said i was gonna hit 300hp, i said it'd be close. As long as im close to +50hp from the head package, and +75hp from a turbo then that would be pretty damn close to 300hp. And as for the AEM CAI gaining 10hp, i would believe it if it had a dyno sheet proving that it did infact happen.
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that dyno is from a 92 gsr with a b17 which flows a hell of a lot better than your sohc. also they dont list any other mods done to the engine. it could have high compression, big bore, etc.
Wow, trying anything to disprove my points... But again, you guys are throwing out hear-say, and now you are just making up pure speculation to disprove points. Shit it could have anything, could of been on nos/supercharged/turbocharged/running @ 300psi. But since THEY DIDNT MENTION ANY OF THAT, one can only conclude that the gain in horse power was from the package, and not some circumstance that you completely made up.

Originally Posted by /^Blackmagik^\
thank you.. what's with the retarded newbs lately? i thought we weeded out most of the tf&tf choads a while ago
:lmao: hah, this is funny, star trek accord tubby calls me a 'newb' (which does infact prove you are a star trek accord tubby) and a retard because i believe a factual tangible dyno sheet over some bullshit hear-say that someone told him. this is funny. I think you should stop blindly believing people and start making your own decisions about engine mods. If you [and other people] did, i bet there would be a lot of inovation out there, instead of all the same shit. Because people believe others when they say, "that shit isnt possible, or, that shits not gonna work because 'x reason' ".
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Old Jun 10, 2004 | 07:30 PM
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Originally Posted by bubbrubb
hah, this is funny, star trek accord tubby calls me a 'newb' (which does infact prove you are a star trek accord tubby) and a retard because i believe a factual tangible dyno sheet over some bullshit hear-say that someone told him. this is funny. I think you should stop blindly believing people and start making your own decisions about engine mods. If you [and other people] did, i bet there would be a lot of inovation out there, instead of all the same shit. Because people believe others when they say, "that shit isnt possible, or, that shits not gonna work because 'x reason' ".
whatever you say junior it's called logic and understanding of how and why something works. maybe if you spent more time trying to understand basic engine theory and less time spouting nonsense you might, just might, learn something worthwhile someday. i doubt it though. from your post quality i find that highly unlikely.
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Old Jun 10, 2004 | 07:40 PM
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Originally Posted by /^Blackmagik^\
whatever you say junior it's called logic and understanding of how and why something works. maybe if you spent more time trying to understand basic engine theory and less time spouting nonsense you might, just might, learn something worthwhile someday. i doubt it though. from your post quality i find that highly unlikely.
Uh oh, my post quality doesnt meet the star trek accord tubby seal of approval, damn! But seriously, you havent done shit here but come up with theories and speculation. You havent shown one fact at all, or disproven any of my points.
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Old Jun 10, 2004 | 07:40 PM
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All you've done is actually prove my points by not being able to give facts to back up yours--Goodjob tubby, goodjob :db:
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Old Jun 10, 2004 | 07:45 PM
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Originally Posted by bubbrubb
Uh oh, my post quality doesnt meet the star trek accord tubby seal of approval, damn! But seriously, you havent done shit here but come up with theories and speculation. You havent shown one fact at all, or disproven any of my points.
try coming up with a point first before challenging someone to disprove it moron.
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Old Jun 11, 2004 | 09:04 AM
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Ok so you are thinking that a completely different motor made x amount of hp from a head package that your motor which again is completely different will gain the same amount. You need to email that guy and ask for an Accord dyno plot of the head package not a gsr dyno plot.
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Old Jun 11, 2004 | 10:09 AM
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So you guys have done a good job of being ass-holes to each other...You obvious both believe different stuff and don't want to change your views, so what's the point in saying anything else?

BTW bubbrubb, nice video in the sig...as long as that isn't you...
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Old Jun 11, 2004 | 10:36 AM
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Originally Posted by bubbrubb
I completely 100% dont believe that, or anything until i see dynos....people always go around guessing about horse power, but they NEVER know unless its dynoed, period. So if that 'person you know' has a dyno, then ill shut my mouth. Cuz I know for certain that it will give my car a lot more power then that......
that's good way at taking advice, someone that has actually purchased the whole head package and realized he got ass raped and ended up with only 10whp, but you chose to ignore that and believe an advertisement. Because we all know that companies trying to rape you out of thousands of dollars are 100% honest in what they do and are in the whoe business for the sole purpose of keeping america happy, not cuz they wanna make a quick buck. And if you know for certain right then and there that it will make umm as you put it "alot more power" then why did you bother arguing the fact with us stunnas that don't know jack.

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Nothing against you or anything...all im saying is that people come in with hear-say, and hear-say is almost ALWAYS bullshit, im just tired of bullshit, i want dyno numbers instead of hear-say. Seeing as the site claims something, then backs it up with an actual dyno, im going to believe them over you because they have FACTS not hear-say.
it's one thing to argue hearsay, but you should use some commonsense too. Like how your not going to gain anywhere near 50hp from a basic port and polish head package, period.

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mmrusa has a dyno there on there website....i dont know how you can embelish a dyno picture...i guess you can make it blurry, and lie about it? but seeing as they didnt do that.....i dont think they embelished anything at all. Only ones that think they embelished anything are people like you that believe hear-say over factual dyno sheets.
you obviously have never used a dyno before, I can make back to back pulls and gain or lose over 10hp, just by dynoing in a different gear. There are a million and one ways to screw with a dyno plot, ie. correction factors, engine temperature, etc etc. plus you speak as if the dyno plot come straight out of the machine engraved in stone. majority of the dynos companies post online are nothing but a simple graph created in microsoft excel anyways

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First off dude, i never said i was gonna hit 300hp, i said it'd be close. As long as im close to +50hp from the head package, and +75hp from a turbo then that would be pretty damn close to 300hp. And as for the AEM CAI gaining 10hp, i would believe it if it had a dyno sheet proving that it did infact happen.
thats funny, your one of those that think you can gain like 30hp from bolt ons, you konw, +10hp(CAI), +5hp(exhaust), +10hp(header), +5hp(pullies), then add em all together and viola, you get 30 extra hp eh?? Again if you've ever been to a dyno, you'd see that all that will probably net you whooping total of like 10-15hp on an average motor. To top it off how the hell do you figure your gonna gain anything when you put together an ALL MOTOR headpackage with a turbo induction? If you knew anything about how motors work, you'd know that all the overlap from ALL MOTOR cams will hurt your power when you try to boost with them. and what is your fasination with dyno plots? If I showed you a 10whp gain on the dyno right before your eyes after pissing in your gas tank would you believe it too?


What I don't get is if you are so positive all your retard ideas are going to work and will get you to whatever hp level you want, why do you bother coming here posting and arguing? And please if you wanna argue atleast do some decent research, cuz all you've proven here was how big of an uneducated moron you are, and how little you know about cars. If I had to take a guess you either got your knowledge from grand tourismo 3 or need for speed underground? which one was it?

All this talk of hearsay and whatever, if you just get off your high horse and think about it, thats all your blabbing out of your mouth too. Why don't you actually go and do some work on the dyno then come back and argue. then maybe you will finally realize there is more to life than a damn dyno plot. dyno numbers are not bragging rights, track times are. But all that would require some commonsense to understand.

I could go on and on, but there's really no point in trying to give you and advice seeing as how well you took friendly advice from the previous posts.
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Old Jun 11, 2004 | 11:11 AM
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Originally Posted by Eddiebx
that's good way at taking advice, someone that has actually purchased the whole head package and realized he got ass raped and ended up with only 10whp, but you chose to ignore that and believe an advertisement. Because we all know that companies trying to rape you out of thousands of dollars are 100% honest in what they do and are in the whoe business for the sole purpose of keeping america happy, not cuz they wanna make a quick buck. And if you know for certain right then and there that it will make umm as you put it "alot more power" then why did you bother arguing the fact with us stunnas that don't know jack.



it's one thing to argue hearsay, but you should use some commonsense too. Like how your not going to gain anywhere near 50hp from a basic port and polish head package, period.



you obviously have never used a dyno before, I can make back to back pulls and gain or lose over 10hp, just by dynoing in a different gear. There are a million and one ways to screw with a dyno plot, ie. correction factors, engine temperature, etc etc. plus you speak as if the dyno plot come straight out of the machine engraved in stone. majority of the dynos companies post online are nothing but a simple graph created in microsoft excel anyways



thats funny, your one of those that think you can gain like 30hp from bolt ons, you konw, +10hp(CAI), +5hp(exhaust), +10hp(header), +5hp(pullies), then add em all together and viola, you get 30 extra hp eh?? Again if you've ever been to a dyno, you'd see that all that will probably net you whooping total of like 10-15hp on an average motor. To top it off how the hell do you figure your gonna gain anything when you put together an ALL MOTOR headpackage with a turbo induction? If you knew anything about how motors work, you'd know that all the overlap from ALL MOTOR cams will hurt your power when you try to boost with them. and what is your fasination with dyno plots? If I showed you a 10whp gain on the dyno right before your eyes after pissing in your gas tank would you believe it too?


What I don't get is if you are so positive all your retard ideas are going to work and will get you to whatever hp level you want, why do you bother coming here posting and arguing? And please if you wanna argue atleast do some decent research, cuz all you've proven here was how big of an uneducated moron you are, and how little you know about cars. If I had to take a guess you either got your knowledge from grand tourismo 3 or need for speed underground? which one was it?

All this talk of hearsay and whatever, if you just get off your high horse and think about it, thats all your blabbing out of your mouth too. Why don't you actually go and do some work on the dyno then come back and argue. then maybe you will finally realize there is more to life than a damn dyno plot. dyno numbers are not bragging rights, track times are. But all that would require some commonsense to understand.

I could go on and on, but there's really no point in trying to give you and advice seeing as how well you took friendly advice from the previous posts.
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Old Jun 11, 2004 | 12:18 PM
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this isn't constructive but...hahaha
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