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From: Deeeeeeeeeeeeeeetroit
Originally posted by MrFatBooty
Just because cars can pull similar numbers doesn't mean they are the same to drive. Test numbers mean very little at all, and the driving experience provided by a TL (even the new one) does not match that of a factory-tuned Bimmer that is a much smaller car with rwd. It's totally different, even if the numbers are close.
Just because cars can pull similar numbers doesn't mean they are the same to drive. Test numbers mean very little at all, and the driving experience provided by a TL (even the new one) does not match that of a factory-tuned Bimmer that is a much smaller car with rwd. It's totally different, even if the numbers are close.
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Originally posted by 98CoupeV6
Oh please. The difference between the 330i PP and the TL is the same as the M3 and the CL Type-S. You think the TL can do 0-60 in 5.6? Maybe it'll be close. You think the TL has a better quality interior? Maybe. Better value in the TL? Hard to argue that.
But you're comparing apples to oranges. It is so blindingly obvious that you can't grasp how special BMW products like the M3, 330i PP, M5, and M Roadster/Shoe are. They are in a league of their own away from the front wheel drive torque steering TL which competes with cars more like the Maxima, ES330 and Audi A4. The 330i PP is a true enthusiast's car, while the TL is a bundle of compromises between value and sport and luxury all wrapped into a best selling package. The TL is a fantastic car and will be a tremendous hit, have no doubts about that, but the 330i PP owns it all day every day.
Oh please. The difference between the 330i PP and the TL is the same as the M3 and the CL Type-S. You think the TL can do 0-60 in 5.6? Maybe it'll be close. You think the TL has a better quality interior? Maybe. Better value in the TL? Hard to argue that.
But you're comparing apples to oranges. It is so blindingly obvious that you can't grasp how special BMW products like the M3, 330i PP, M5, and M Roadster/Shoe are. They are in a league of their own away from the front wheel drive torque steering TL which competes with cars more like the Maxima, ES330 and Audi A4. The 330i PP is a true enthusiast's car, while the TL is a bundle of compromises between value and sport and luxury all wrapped into a best selling package. The TL is a fantastic car and will be a tremendous hit, have no doubts about that, but the 330i PP owns it all day every day.
Originally posted by MrFatBooty
Just because cars can pull similar numbers doesn't mean they are the same to drive. Test numbers mean very little at all, and the driving experience provided by a TL (even the new one) does not match that of a factory-tuned Bimmer that is a much smaller car with rwd. It's totally different, even if the numbers are close.
Just because cars can pull similar numbers doesn't mean they are the same to drive. Test numbers mean very little at all, and the driving experience provided by a TL (even the new one) does not match that of a factory-tuned Bimmer that is a much smaller car with rwd. It's totally different, even if the numbers are close.
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From: Deeeeeeeeeeeeeeetroit
Originally posted by tirod²slc
the PP runs a 5.9 0-60... .1 faster than a car that'll cost 10k less... of course the numbers arent all that seperate a bimmer from an acura... image has alot to do with it too... personally.. i prefer the TL.. but thats just the difference in acura and bmw/mb/jag buyers...
the PP runs a 5.9 0-60... .1 faster than a car that'll cost 10k less... of course the numbers arent all that seperate a bimmer from an acura... image has alot to do with it too... personally.. i prefer the TL.. but thats just the difference in acura and bmw/mb/jag buyers...
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Originally posted by Dorikin
Triod has a case of acutre TOV-itis
TOV-itis: A Disease where the patient begins to think Honda and FF are sueprior to RWD and all other products
Symptoms:
Feeble excuses on why the new TL is a better can than the 3 or 5 based on value
Reverting to the hp/l argument
Comparing FWD to RWD and saying big heavy FWD cars are better than their nimble performance focused RWD counterparts.
Treatment:
Go to nearest BMW dealer for a test drive.
Side effects:
Side effects may include sudden desicion to sell Honda for a BMW
Sudden defection from Honda.
Triod has a case of acutre TOV-itis
TOV-itis: A Disease where the patient begins to think Honda and FF are sueprior to RWD and all other products
Symptoms:
Feeble excuses on why the new TL is a better can than the 3 or 5 based on value
Reverting to the hp/l argument
Comparing FWD to RWD and saying big heavy FWD cars are better than their nimble performance focused RWD counterparts.
Treatment:
Go to nearest BMW dealer for a test drive.
Side effects:
Side effects may include sudden desicion to sell Honda for a BMW
Sudden defection from Honda.
when did i say FWD cars were superior to RWD cars? each has there own superiority... and fyi i've driven a high performace rwd bimmer before.. (m3) it was fun as fawk no doubt, i even posted about itt here all frantic and ish.... but for the price and MY preference.. i'd wait and drive the TL...
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From: Deeeeeeeeeeeeeeetroit
Originally posted by tirod²slc
when did i say FWD cars were superior to RWD cars? each has there own superiority... and fyi i've driven a high performace rwd bimmer before.. (m3) it was fun as fawk no doubt, i even posted about itt here all frantic and ish.... but for the price and MY preference.. i'd wait and drive the TL...
when did i say FWD cars were superior to RWD cars? each has there own superiority... and fyi i've driven a high performace rwd bimmer before.. (m3) it was fun as fawk no doubt, i even posted about itt here all frantic and ish.... but for the price and MY preference.. i'd wait and drive the TL...
Yes, some people's preference is great handling and superior driving dynamics and yours is....value. Weaksauce.
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Originally posted by 98CoupeV6
Hahaha you're reciting manufacturer numbers now :lmao: :lmao: CAR AND DRIVER says 5.6. If you prefer a TL to a 330i PP...well...look at Dorikin's post. And put your left hand on your left side of your head, your right hand on the right side of your head and puuuuuuuull.... :db:
Hahaha you're reciting manufacturer numbers now :lmao: :lmao: CAR AND DRIVER says 5.6. If you prefer a TL to a 330i PP...well...look at Dorikin's post. And put your left hand on your left side of your head, your right hand on the right side of your head and puuuuuuuull.... :db:
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Originally posted by 98CoupeV6
STFU noob... :lmao: Somehow Derek comes off as more intelligent than you when it comes to cars, especially with some of the crap I've seen you post lately.
Yes, some people's preference is great handling and superior driving dynamics and yours is....value. Weaksauce.
STFU noob... :lmao: Somehow Derek comes off as more intelligent than you when it comes to cars, especially with some of the crap I've seen you post lately.
Yes, some people's preference is great handling and superior driving dynamics and yours is....value. Weaksauce.
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Originally posted by 98CoupeV6
STFU noob... :lmao: Somehow Derek comes off as more intelligent than you when it comes to cars, especially with some of the crap I've seen you post lately.
Yes, some people's preference is great handling and superior driving dynamics and yours is....value. Weaksauce.
STFU noob... :lmao: Somehow Derek comes off as more intelligent than you when it comes to cars, especially with some of the crap I've seen you post lately.
Yes, some people's preference is great handling and superior driving dynamics and yours is....value. Weaksauce.
Didnt he work at a Chrysler dealer.
Of course he loves Value, its Chrysler. only they would offer a value oriented car like the Pacifica
:chuckles:
Dont tell me to STFU bish, what are you gonna do, report me with your NEXTEL