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"Faith: Not wanting to know what is true." - Friedrich Nietzsche
"The last true Christian died on the cross." - Friedrich Nietzsche
"The 2 great European narcotics - Alcohol and Christianity." - Friedrich Nietzsche
"God is a comedian playing to an audience too afraid to laugh." -Voltaire
"Superstition is to religion what astrology is to astronomy; the mad daughter of a wise mother." - Voltaire
"Whether one believes in religion or not, whether one believes in this religion or that religion, the very purpose of our life is happiness, the very motion of our life is towards happiness." - The Dalai Lama
"You're basically killing each other to see who's got the better imaginary friend." - Yasir Arafat (PLO leader)
"Science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind." - Albert Einstein
"Religion altars the mind." - Tony Follari, Comedian
"I do not feel obliged to believe that the same God who has endowed us with sense, reason, and intellect has intended us to forgo their use." - Galileo Galilei
"The last true Christian died on the cross." - Friedrich Nietzsche
"The 2 great European narcotics - Alcohol and Christianity." - Friedrich Nietzsche
"God is a comedian playing to an audience too afraid to laugh." -Voltaire
"Superstition is to religion what astrology is to astronomy; the mad daughter of a wise mother." - Voltaire
"Whether one believes in religion or not, whether one believes in this religion or that religion, the very purpose of our life is happiness, the very motion of our life is towards happiness." - The Dalai Lama
"You're basically killing each other to see who's got the better imaginary friend." - Yasir Arafat (PLO leader)
"Science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind." - Albert Einstein
"Religion altars the mind." - Tony Follari, Comedian
"I do not feel obliged to believe that the same God who has endowed us with sense, reason, and intellect has intended us to forgo their use." - Galileo Galilei
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https://www.honda-acura.net/forums/s...threadid=11736
this was one of the very first on-topic threads
this was one of the very first on-topic threads
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My thoughts:
If someone can prove god exists, I'll become a Christian.
I don't see that happening, as I don't consider a 2k year old story book (figuratively, for argument's sake, no need to break it down by exact ages) and the mear existance of life to be proof.
If someone can prove god exists, I'll become a Christian.
I don't see that happening, as I don't consider a 2k year old story book (figuratively, for argument's sake, no need to break it down by exact ages) and the mear existance of life to be proof.
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Originally posted by Kai
My thoughts:
If someone can prove god exists, I'll become a Christian.
My thoughts:
If someone can prove god exists, I'll become a Christian.
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If someone can prove god exists, I'll become a Christian.
I am a Roman Catholic and have been brought up that way married to a Disciples of Christ Protestant. We had a dual Priest ceremony in my wife's Church. I believe in my religion because I have not seen any proof that my beliefs are wrong. But it is interesting that unless you are an athiest everyone believes in some higher diety. Whether or not you are Christian, Jew, Muslim, Budhist, etc., each religion believes in a power greater than themselves.
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Originally posted by DVPGSR
Can you prove that God does not exist?
I am a Roman Catholic and have been brought up that way married to a Disciples of Christ Protestant. We had a dual Priest ceremony in my wife's Church. I believe in my religion because I have not seen any proof that my beliefs are wrong. But it is interesting that unless you are an athiest everyone believes in some higher diety. Whether or not you are Christian, Jew, Muslim, Budhist, etc., each religion believes in a power greater than themselves.
Can you prove that God does not exist?
I am a Roman Catholic and have been brought up that way married to a Disciples of Christ Protestant. We had a dual Priest ceremony in my wife's Church. I believe in my religion because I have not seen any proof that my beliefs are wrong. But it is interesting that unless you are an athiest everyone believes in some higher diety. Whether or not you are Christian, Jew, Muslim, Budhist, etc., each religion believes in a power greater than themselves.
As far as proof goes. For centuries it was heresy to believe the world was round, and the Church would have you burned and tortured as a heretic for thinking so. We all know the truth in that. For hundreds and hundreds of years it was heresy to believe in ANYTHING except what the Catholic church wanted. The reformation came around and changed all that but the fact that you had to agree with everything the Church said was ludricious. I can't follow that religion. Thats just me.
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Originally posted by FocuzDave
If someone proved that g-d was real to you why would you pick to be a Christian??? That doesn't make too much sence to me.:wtf:
If someone proved that g-d was real to you why would you pick to be a Christian??? That doesn't make too much sence to me.:wtf:
I've never seen a miracle.
I've never been talked to by god.
I've never had anything unexpainably good happen to me.
I can't look up in the sky and see heaven, nor look down and see hell.
I can go to a museum and see fossils.
I can go to pyshics class and see a lot of neat and weird stuff explained.
I can see even the bible itself has been distorted through years of translation and rewording.
In short, I can see there is just no proof their is any higher power, and lots that there isn't. If a god was mighty enough to create all life, don't you think he would at least try to keep up his PR? Maybe zap all the disbelievers once in a while, or at least give us a little more warning of hell and damnation then a single ancient book?
I have nothing against the actual moral teachings of religion, and I do think it has had a profound impact on the overall 'goodness' of the world today, however when people are so driven to hassle me with pamplets and asking me "have you found Jesus?" I think they've lost touch with reality.
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hmmm, where to begin. well, I think we're all God. Each and every one of us.
to me, God is all. Good and bad, right and wrong. Every possibility. But ultimatly, only one reality.
I think Jesus and the Devil are kinda substandard, but I'll beleive in them for the sake of simplicity. Jesus and the Devil are no different than good and evil, yin and yang, etc. I would never EVER put the devil on Gods level. After all, didn't God creat both Jesus and the Devil (who was an angel at one time, too)
Of course, christianity isn't the extent of religion. I think all religions are right, to some degree. Sure, they get off at some points, but generally, They all teach morals, preach a higher power, etc. But having been raised catholic, I'm kinda stuck in my christian rut. Not to say christianity is evil, for I don't think it is. I think man made christianity evil.
Jesus showed us a few things. One of which was no matter how perfect we are, no matter what we do, and even if we're the son of God (which, low and behold, we all are), even that doesn't save us from being "sacraficed." People always ask why do bad things happen to good people? Those people are typically weak. Low pain threashold. Things of the sort.
Another thing Jesus showed us was that two wrongs don't make a right. Which brings up a catch 22 within the religion:
God is two faced in christianity. There's the evil, rathful God of the old testimate, and the forgiving, turn-the-other-cheek God of the new testimate. Why these two Gods?
My own thoughts over the matter led me to the conclusion that If we just went by the old testimate God, we'd be so afraid of him that nothing would happen. We'd jus sit in midevil times for eternity. But if we went by new testimate God, then we'd do whatever we wanted without fear, since after all, God will forgive us.
Also, the two sides show the black and white of God. Hence, he is all good and all evil.
now, pulling something I wrote in another thread. Although it mentions aliens, it could very well be relivant. I'll let you decide for yourself:
(I did not say that, btw)
I think when God created man in his likeness, it was more a mental figure of speech, as apposed to a physical similarity. I've found most of the bible, is in fact, a huge figure of speech....
my personal beleifs say God is just an idea, one I like to call The Collective Human Conscious. Generally, we all think the same. We all have the same basic rutines we all make. Sure, the details are different, but we all enter our homes the same way, toss the keys in the same place, leave the wallet somewhere, etc.
Simialarly, we all deal with the same problems, just at different times. Therefor, I feel its safe to say no matter who you are or what you do, we're all equil as long as you're indeed living life, and not going through the motions. By that, I mean learing from lessons, and living the human experience. Not so much going places and seeing things. Aren't we really just seeing the same things?
I think there's a universal truth as far as religions go. They're all pretty much the same. Sure, some are harsher than others, but in essence.....
So basiclly God (all knowledge, or in a word, everything) creates man with the same basic mental processes, and puts us in this place where nothing is really right. Sure, we all know whats good and bad, but the thing is being purely good and purely bad is not the right way.
therefor, Balance is nessisary. Balance is both good and evil, right and wrong. After all, did God basiclly make both Jesus and the Devil.
look at the Yin-Yang. You have black and white equil, with a little of each in the other. There's those of us who are Purley good. There's those of us who are Purley evil. And then there's the people who do bad, but have good intentions, and the people who do good, but with bad intentions.
now drawing that annalogy into something relivant, White is Jesus, Black is Satin. God is the whole figure.
Now with all that said, lets get back to topic:
again, they have the same mind as us, per se.
animals look the way they are because the enviorment shapes them like that. If the idea of Evolution was around when the bible was written, I'm sure it would have been included, but unfortunately, the bible was written when people thought the world was still flat, and the smartest people had basiclly 5th grade education levels.
sounds like a blief that would come from Jehosaphs Whitnesses (ouch on that butched spelling 
h: ). They also beleive God will send a space craft to save them, take them to space, and return them once God makes earth right again.
I'm not knocking it, just bringing some insight.
It seems possible, since no one really knows. I won't rule it out, tho.
and even more:
yeah, I know, alot of similarities between my veiws and the movie Pi, but who said movies are always wrong....
to me, God is all. Good and bad, right and wrong. Every possibility. But ultimatly, only one reality.
I think Jesus and the Devil are kinda substandard, but I'll beleive in them for the sake of simplicity. Jesus and the Devil are no different than good and evil, yin and yang, etc. I would never EVER put the devil on Gods level. After all, didn't God creat both Jesus and the Devil (who was an angel at one time, too)
Of course, christianity isn't the extent of religion. I think all religions are right, to some degree. Sure, they get off at some points, but generally, They all teach morals, preach a higher power, etc. But having been raised catholic, I'm kinda stuck in my christian rut. Not to say christianity is evil, for I don't think it is. I think man made christianity evil.
Jesus showed us a few things. One of which was no matter how perfect we are, no matter what we do, and even if we're the son of God (which, low and behold, we all are), even that doesn't save us from being "sacraficed." People always ask why do bad things happen to good people? Those people are typically weak. Low pain threashold. Things of the sort.
Another thing Jesus showed us was that two wrongs don't make a right. Which brings up a catch 22 within the religion:
God is two faced in christianity. There's the evil, rathful God of the old testimate, and the forgiving, turn-the-other-cheek God of the new testimate. Why these two Gods?
My own thoughts over the matter led me to the conclusion that If we just went by the old testimate God, we'd be so afraid of him that nothing would happen. We'd jus sit in midevil times for eternity. But if we went by new testimate God, then we'd do whatever we wanted without fear, since after all, God will forgive us.
Also, the two sides show the black and white of God. Hence, he is all good and all evil.
now, pulling something I wrote in another thread. Although it mentions aliens, it could very well be relivant. I'll let you decide for yourself:
My beliefs. God created man in his likeness, that is God gave man a body that looked like his body, and woman recieved the body his wife had.
I think when God created man in his likeness, it was more a mental figure of speech, as apposed to a physical similarity. I've found most of the bible, is in fact, a huge figure of speech....
my personal beleifs say God is just an idea, one I like to call The Collective Human Conscious. Generally, we all think the same. We all have the same basic rutines we all make. Sure, the details are different, but we all enter our homes the same way, toss the keys in the same place, leave the wallet somewhere, etc.
Simialarly, we all deal with the same problems, just at different times. Therefor, I feel its safe to say no matter who you are or what you do, we're all equil as long as you're indeed living life, and not going through the motions. By that, I mean learing from lessons, and living the human experience. Not so much going places and seeing things. Aren't we really just seeing the same things?
I think there's a universal truth as far as religions go. They're all pretty much the same. Sure, some are harsher than others, but in essence.....
So basiclly God (all knowledge, or in a word, everything) creates man with the same basic mental processes, and puts us in this place where nothing is really right. Sure, we all know whats good and bad, but the thing is being purely good and purely bad is not the right way.
therefor, Balance is nessisary. Balance is both good and evil, right and wrong. After all, did God basiclly make both Jesus and the Devil.
look at the Yin-Yang. You have black and white equil, with a little of each in the other. There's those of us who are Purley good. There's those of us who are Purley evil. And then there's the people who do bad, but have good intentions, and the people who do good, but with bad intentions.
now drawing that annalogy into something relivant, White is Jesus, Black is Satin. God is the whole figure.
Now with all that said, lets get back to topic:
God also said that he created life on other planets for his own reasons, so yes, I do believe in aliens, but I think they look exactly like us.
The only thing that maybe would be different is the way the animals look.
Some of the races on other planets are more advanced, some are less advanced, but I one heard that we were the only 'world' that would kill Jesus.
h: ). They also beleive God will send a space craft to save them, take them to space, and return them once God makes earth right again.I'm not knocking it, just bringing some insight.
Originally posted by azn_redneck
The aliens are actually angels of God. I read it on the internet, so it must be true.
Seriously though, some people think that the grey alien dudes are the "Sons of Man" mentioned in the Bible.
The aliens are actually angels of God. I read it on the internet, so it must be true.
Seriously though, some people think that the grey alien dudes are the "Sons of Man" mentioned in the Bible.
Originally posted by 18secFerio
well, there's more to the triangle than just physics.
the circle, square, and triangle all have a deeper meaning in the abstract view of life.
the triangle - trinity, father/son/holy spirit, or whatever religion you choose, there's usually a part that incorperates 3 major figures. I was raised catholic, so I picked that as an example
within the triangle lies a circle, fits perfectly. This is where we lie in the universe. We are all on the edge of this circle (since a circle is a shape with an infinite amount of points), looking in at the same point, but from different angles. This central point, or the universe as we see it, is one of the only constants. The other is change.
Within the circle, lies a square, also fitting perfect within. The square represents the elements: Earth, Wind, Fire and Water. Depending on our residing point on the circle (depending on when we were born, specificlly astorlogically speaking), our personallity is kinda pre-determind. I'm a very typical sagittarious (nov 27th, same b-day as jimi hendrix), as is my girlfriend (nov 28th). I've known many people to fit into their astrological profile almost perfectly. I'm not talking about daily horoscopes, either. I'm talking about this stuff:
http://singles.wndmll.com/NatlForm.htm <- very acurate so far. try it. just put in some name (doesn't matter what), and put in your bday. It does the rest.
but this square, circle, triangle idea of mine is what I feel is the universe (not only me, btw), which would explain the pyrimids.
Also, look into this thing called The Emerald Tablet. You might learn something new.
sorry about the ramble
well, there's more to the triangle than just physics.
the circle, square, and triangle all have a deeper meaning in the abstract view of life.
the triangle - trinity, father/son/holy spirit, or whatever religion you choose, there's usually a part that incorperates 3 major figures. I was raised catholic, so I picked that as an example
within the triangle lies a circle, fits perfectly. This is where we lie in the universe. We are all on the edge of this circle (since a circle is a shape with an infinite amount of points), looking in at the same point, but from different angles. This central point, or the universe as we see it, is one of the only constants. The other is change.
Within the circle, lies a square, also fitting perfect within. The square represents the elements: Earth, Wind, Fire and Water. Depending on our residing point on the circle (depending on when we were born, specificlly astorlogically speaking), our personallity is kinda pre-determind. I'm a very typical sagittarious (nov 27th, same b-day as jimi hendrix), as is my girlfriend (nov 28th). I've known many people to fit into their astrological profile almost perfectly. I'm not talking about daily horoscopes, either. I'm talking about this stuff:
http://singles.wndmll.com/NatlForm.htm <- very acurate so far. try it. just put in some name (doesn't matter what), and put in your bday. It does the rest.
but this square, circle, triangle idea of mine is what I feel is the universe (not only me, btw), which would explain the pyrimids.
Also, look into this thing called The Emerald Tablet. You might learn something new.
sorry about the ramble