north korea launches rocket, pisses everybody off
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Russia and china didnt have the rocket flying over their country of course they didnt think it was needed, china is also an ally of north korea ...
South korea was willing to for obvious reasons
japan was simply because there was a risk of rocket debris hitting japanese soil and they were only placing units to protect that, the US was primarily a moniter and assist role for japan. they were prepared to shoot down but had no intention to. they were only watching where it went in case it went awry.
but you can clearly see both the US and Japan did NOT shoot it down and said it posed no threat and they let it be.
North Korea is the one escalating things, all by themselves ... and they do it knowingly and purposely. They are the ones who threatened to attack japan if it shot down the rocket (while japan only had interest in defending its territory and people), they are the ones who threatened to attack the US for simply being in the area if japan did such a thing, they are the ones who threaten south korean civilian aircraft.
South korea was willing to for obvious reasons
japan was simply because there was a risk of rocket debris hitting japanese soil and they were only placing units to protect that, the US was primarily a moniter and assist role for japan. they were prepared to shoot down but had no intention to. they were only watching where it went in case it went awry.
but you can clearly see both the US and Japan did NOT shoot it down and said it posed no threat and they let it be.
North Korea is the one escalating things, all by themselves ... and they do it knowingly and purposely. They are the ones who threatened to attack japan if it shot down the rocket (while japan only had interest in defending its territory and people), they are the ones who threatened to attack the US for simply being in the area if japan did such a thing, they are the ones who threaten south korean civilian aircraft.
then reason no one is doing anything is because nothing needs to be done at this point. The UN can continue to put additionnal pressure...And yes no organisation is above corruption. I also agree that the UN is not respected by the it's members. And some of the permanent members should not be there. But ultimatly the UN is usefull. If the USA did not think it was usefull they would have left the league. But the USA also that benefits from the UN just like all the other countries. It has used it veto power more then any other permanent member to save it's alies.
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Exacly... no one wanted to do anything about it and no one did. So why say something like the other countries arent doing shit about NK because they are pussy or lazy or afraid of the UN then reason no one is doing anything is because nothing needs to be done at this point. The UN can continue to put additionnal pressure...
And yes no organisation is above corruption. I also agree that the UN is not respected by the it's members. And some of the permanent members should not be there. But ultimatly the UN is usefull. If the USA did not think it was usefull they would have left the league. But the USA also that benefits from the UN just like all the other countries. It has used it veto power more then any other permanent member to save it's alies.
then reason no one is doing anything is because nothing needs to be done at this point. The UN can continue to put additionnal pressure...And yes no organisation is above corruption. I also agree that the UN is not respected by the it's members. And some of the permanent members should not be there. But ultimatly the UN is usefull. If the USA did not think it was usefull they would have left the league. But the USA also that benefits from the UN just like all the other countries. It has used it veto power more then any other permanent member to save it's alies.
and what pressure? its all great and good to make sanctions but they dont get enforced ... there's no teeth to the UN. Iran has yet to listen to ONE sanction or decree ... Norht Korea is the same, Iraq was the same way. Yugoslavia ... the soviet union ... in every instance they laugh at the UN.
Theres only three countries with real power in the UN ... the US, Russia and china ... aside from that everyone else is a joke. i'm not saying the US hasnt used the UN to its advantage but as of late russia and china have been teaming up to see that things go their way even in the face of severe civilian hardship ... darfur and north korea are two major cases, iran could be added as russia and china are both severely against anything major since they both have billions of dollars worth of trade. the UN is so corrupt it all runs around money on all sides now.
and it's bullshit that everyone is quick to jump on the US and say oh you only did this or are doing that cuz of oil ... what the hell you think china and russia do ... and the worst thing is they are willing to overlook huge loss of innocent life and dictatorships simply because they want their money. You and i both know that the US wouldnt turn its back on a situation like darfur because they suddenly had a money offer, there would be a riot within the US if we did that ... doesnt happen in china or russia though oh thats right thats cuz in china if you speak out you go away forever and in russia you suddenly are a "victim" of street crime
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But you're taking for granted that the rest of the world wants to do something else then going thru the international comunity. which is clearly not true.
Which country has asked the USA why nothing was done? if they wanted something done they could do it themselfs. Both China and Russia does not think that shooting the thing down was needed. So they both didnt do anything.
Which country has asked the USA why nothing was done? if they wanted something done they could do it themselfs. Both China and Russia does not think that shooting the thing down was needed. So they both didnt do anything.
Why do you insist on twisting what I am saying and purposely misreading my comments? I don't hide anything in my words to really be twisted so not sure if we even speak the same language.
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at this point china and russia are the only ones who see that nothing needs to be done. how long do you think they should let the north continue to war monger and threaten and mess with nukes before someone steps in and says we warned you now you're gonna listen? you think the people living there will do anything? they dont even know whats going on in their own country let alone the world
and what pressure? its all great and good to make sanctions but they dont get enforced ... there's no teeth to the UN. Iran has yet to listen to ONE sanction or decree ... Norht Korea is the same, Iraq was the same way. Yugoslavia ... the soviet union ... in every instance they laugh at the UN.
Theres only three countries with real power in the UN ... the US, Russia and china ... aside from that everyone else is a joke. i'm not saying the US hasnt used the UN to its advantage but as of late russia and china have been teaming up to see that things go their way even in the face of severe civilian hardship ... darfur and north korea are two major cases, iran could be added as russia and china are both severely against anything major since they both have billions of dollars worth of trade. the UN is so corrupt it all runs around money on all sides now.
and it's bullshit that everyone is quick to jump on the US and say oh you only did this or are doing that cuz of oil ... what the hell you think china and russia do ... and the worst thing is they are willing to overlook huge loss of innocent life and dictatorships simply because they want their money. You and i both know that the US wouldnt turn its back on a situation like darfur because they suddenly had a money offer, there would be a riot within the US if we did that ... doesnt happen in china or russia though oh thats right thats cuz in china if you speak out you go away forever and in russia you suddenly are a "victim" of street crime
and what pressure? its all great and good to make sanctions but they dont get enforced ... there's no teeth to the UN. Iran has yet to listen to ONE sanction or decree ... Norht Korea is the same, Iraq was the same way. Yugoslavia ... the soviet union ... in every instance they laugh at the UN.
Theres only three countries with real power in the UN ... the US, Russia and china ... aside from that everyone else is a joke. i'm not saying the US hasnt used the UN to its advantage but as of late russia and china have been teaming up to see that things go their way even in the face of severe civilian hardship ... darfur and north korea are two major cases, iran could be added as russia and china are both severely against anything major since they both have billions of dollars worth of trade. the UN is so corrupt it all runs around money on all sides now.
and it's bullshit that everyone is quick to jump on the US and say oh you only did this or are doing that cuz of oil ... what the hell you think china and russia do ... and the worst thing is they are willing to overlook huge loss of innocent life and dictatorships simply because they want their money. You and i both know that the US wouldnt turn its back on a situation like darfur because they suddenly had a money offer, there would be a riot within the US if we did that ... doesnt happen in china or russia though oh thats right thats cuz in china if you speak out you go away forever and in russia you suddenly are a "victim" of street crime
And how many time did the USA overlooked huge loss of innocent life and dictatoship simply because they want their money? how many time have they supported dictators because it was in the USA's best interest. You're not the only ones. They too are playing that game.
