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what makes you so sure he does?

 

well let's see.... the CIA report a few years ago that said that 2 Chzechnian nuclear scientists were working closely with Iraqi scientists on iraq's nuclear weapons projects kinda puts a check mark in the "yes" box dude. that and the fact that russia needs all the money they can get with the fall of communism. i wonder what the price would be to sell off a few of their old warheads to the highest bidder for a little extra $$$ to line the pockets of their leaders. you can't trust a corrupt government, but two corrupt governments that have been known to work together in the past, well... let's use a little common sense. i'm sure you'll throw out the old "bush, oil agenda" card like you always do and say that our government is corrupt in starting this war, but do you ***** every time you fill up your car and it costs more and more each time? i thought so. this war will A: boost our economy in more ways than one, B: help to prevent another fiery death to thousands of would be terrorist victims, and C: remove a madman from power who would fund and supply means to those that would carry out B. I know you bite off on all the liberal rhetoric that you hear on cnn because we've had arguments before, but jeez dude. take off the blinders and open your eyes. it's plain as day.

 

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Thank you!

 

I just think Iraq is more of a threat than N. Korea. And they'd be more willing to use a WMD.

 

I think we're more of a threat than all of the above.

 

Are you kidding? Please tell me you are prepared to defend this statement with a well posed argument! This I really have got to hear.

And if you really think the US is such a bigger threat than Iraq or North Korea there are plenty of other countries you can live in!

 

And who are you? Do I have to defend my veiw to someone who thinks in a completely different way? Do I have to explain my beleifs that someone wouldn't understand? Whats the use in doing so if, no matter what I say, 97% of the people on this thread are just going to pull out that "damn liberal" b.s.

I've said it once, and I've said it a thousand times, I don't hate this country. I love living in America, where I can live my life and do what I want to do. But what right does our government have to tell other countrys what they can and cannot do? Because we have all the money? Because we are better than them? Thats a bunch of crap, because we are no better than any country. There's no standard. It's something you shouldn't judge.

Maybe Iraq and N. Korea are a threat, but you think we can't work it out? You think maybe if we didn't have assloads of troops around either country, and US companys digging in the middle east, and the US's constant and uncondissional support of Isreal and their stupid mistakes, that the middle east and N. Korea would hate us? My problem with my government is the imperialistic attitude it has. It's the same thing this very country was upset about with england during the 19th and early 20th centery.

And the reason I'm so against this war.... Whats it going to solve? And for what cost? A few hundred thousand lives, on either, if not both sides? Do we have any idea what we are getting ourselves into, and the consiquences a war of this magnitude may bring. Maybe instead of pissing people off, we should try and make them happy. Life put us all hear on this earth, God forbid we make it pleasent. And sure, some of you will say "but in reality, things aren't that easy" and sure, they aren't. But that attitude doesn't help.

This war is just going to be one step closer....

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Maybe I was a little sarcastic with my post but before jumping on you for your liberal views by making such a comment I asked you to explain yourself. The one thing I absolutely can not stand is people who make a comment and then cannot back it up with a cohesive argument. I may not agree with your follow up post in defense of your original argument, and I think your views are flawed but you have the right to an opinion and I am glad you backed your statement up with it.

The US only tells countries what to do when they are either a threat to the US or in clear violation of a UN resolution. Guess what both Iraq and North Korea are both. Sure we have troops around Iraq and North Korea...why? Because the Korean War is still technically going on...our troops are there to defend South Korea...our troops are the reason why there is a South Korean and not a Communist Korea. Why are our troops around Iraq? Saudi Arabia asked for help back before the first Gulf War from the UN because it feared that it was going to be the next victim on Saddams list having seen what he did to Kuwait. So the US led a coalition to keep Saudi Arabia safe and to free Kuwait. Now we are there because Saddam Hussein has not met UN resolutions passed 12 years ago.

And how is the US imperialistic? Where do we go in and conquer lands extending the territory of the United States? That is what imperialists do...that is what England, Japan, the Romans, Hitler, etc. did. In Afghanistan we helped the Afghans form their own government and we are there to help protect it until an Afghan army can. We are also searching for remnants of the Taliban and Ossama Bin Laden...remember him? I don't think we need to revist why we want him captured dead or alive. Why is Ossama so mad at the US? When Saudi Arabia asked for help from the UN Ossama asked to bring his Mujahadein fighters from the Soviet war in Afghanistan to defend and he was turned down in favor of America. And this is the guy for years we thought the most he could do was simple bombings in remote areas of Africa. And he would occasionally get on the Al Jazeera network and spout rhetoric on a Jihad against Americans. Keeping him at bay didn't work and neither will keeping Saddam and Kim away work either.

 

and I told myself I wouldn't post in here anymore.....

So you want me to explain myself? I don't want the world to end. It's that simple. Call me what you will, but I don't think there's much 'proof' I can give. I just don't like the situation, therefor would go against it. And for the record, I'm not really a liberal. I'm a libertarian.

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The US only tells countries what to do when they are either a threat to the US or in clear violation of a UN resolution. Guess what both Iraq and North Korea are both. Sure we have troops around Iraq and North Korea...why? Because the Korean War is still technically going on...our troops are there to defend South Korea...our troops are the reason why there is a South Korean and not a Communist Korea. Why are our troops around Iraq? Saudi Arabia asked for help back before the first Gulf War from the UN because it feared that it was going to be the next victim on Saddams list having seen what he did to Kuwait. So the US led a coalition to keep Saudi Arabia safe and to free Kuwait. Now we are there because Saddam Hussein has not met UN resolutions passed 12 years ago.

But The US doesn't need that responsibility. We have enough problems, with corperations, heathcare, funding, political scandals, high unemployment, and recession, and just like everywhere else in the world, we have problems. So who are we to point the finger? I know the reasons we have troops there, otherwise I probably wouldn't have brought up that point.

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And how is the US imperialistic? Where do we go in and conquer lands extending the territory of the United States? That is what imperialists do...that is what England, Japan, the Romans, Hitler, etc. did.

no, the problems with those countrys is they spread themselves too thin. And, uh oh, look what we're doing. History does repeat itself, you know. There is a patern.

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In Afghanistan we helped the Afghans form their own government and we are there to help protect it until an Afghan army can. We are also searching for remnants of the Taliban.....

This is aside the point. Afganistan was just a moral booster.

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Ossama Bin Laden...remember him? I don't think we need to revist why we want him captured dead or alive. Why is Ossama so mad at the US? When Saudi Arabia asked for help from the UN Ossama asked to bring his Mujahadein fighters from the Soviet war in Afghanistan to defend and he was turned down in favor of America. And this is the guy for years we thought the most he could do was simple bombings in remote areas of Africa. And he would occasionally get on the Al Jazeera network and spout rhetoric on a Jihad against Americans. Keeping him at bay didn't work and neither will keeping Saddam and Kim away work either.

Actually, Osama is mad at the US because of our soldiers in the Holy Land. You know, our troops who are just kickin it in Saudi Arabia. There's a passage in the Koran that disapproves of it. Can't remember the thing exactlly, but it's something along the lines of no more than one religion in the region? I dunno, but regardless, it's the US presence in the middle east that pisses all those countrys off.

All it would take is us pulling out, and they'd leave us alone as long as we left them alone.