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Old Jan 18, 2003 | 07:56 PM
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Originally posted by SirSmokeAlot
Iraq hasn't done anything to this country that can be considered "Terrorism."
true, however he has in the past funded those terrorist groups that have as well as let them have training camps within Iraqui borders. it's not the nuclear weapons that we know about that are scary. it's the ones we don't know about and nuclear weapons in the hands of terrorists can be devastating.
Old Jan 18, 2003 | 08:04 PM
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Originally posted by arracing
I all for the US but I really think we are fawked as well. Both Bush's have been idiots and this second one is trying to follow in his fathers footsteps not realizing that Iraq is now much stronger then they were 13 years ago. I do believe that this will be WW3 and the draft will be reinstated. Their is no easy solution to this. Iraq has the muslim religeon backing it and the muslims are the majority religeon on earth. If they unite then everyone better be scared. The reason we havent had a problem in the past is because the US likes to Devide and conquer and has kept alot of strong ties from happening. They love to devide power which is good for us. However this is also what has cost us much hatred on the other side of the world because we are seen as interfering in other countries internal problems. Also if war with Iraq does go down, the main objective of this war will be to remove sadam. He knows this and he is crazy enough to take his whole country and as many people as he can with him if he goes down. This is another thing to be scared of. If he does have wmd and im sure he does then he will use them if he feels he is pushed into a corner. At this point in the game I really do not see a way outa this, Bush has pushed a little to far on this I believe. Now if he backs down we will lose alot of respect in the eyes of the world as far as being able to do what we want and being a super power. If he goes through with it, then its gonna be countless lives lost on both sides. The only way I see outa this is delaying things until sadam dies of natural causes. The guy is old and he cannot live forever. I say watch the guy and just put a little bit of pressure on him but do not push to hard. Then let the sucker die a natural death. As soon as that happens the country will be weak and they can invade and setup new leadership.
ya know that's the same thing people were saying 12 years ago, however when the ground war broke out the majority of the iraqi army surrendered because our POW camps are more humane than their standard living conditions. that's why a lot of the gulf war veterans refer to someone standing with their weapon on the ground and their hands over their head as the iraqi fighting position. the truth is saddam's own people are tired of living in squalor because their dictator refuses to play nice with others and will probably join in against him.
Old Jan 18, 2003 | 08:09 PM
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Originally posted by SirSmokeAlot
One country with WMD, and even then, right now, they can only hit alaska and hawaii (as far as US targets go)
no, 2 countries with WMD. if you really think that iraq doesn't have nuclear capabilities you need to remove your blinders.
Old Jan 18, 2003 | 09:10 PM
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My fear with Iraq is the fact that they have chemical and biological weapons and are trying to acquire nuclear weapons. Saddam would jump at the chance for one of those weapons to be used against the US or Israel...either by Iraq itself or someone delivering it instead. In either case the only response would be a nuclear attack by either Israel or the US...something I do not want but would support if the situation arised. The only way to prevent this...and the death of more US civilians is to disarm Iraq. President Bush is going about this in the right manner...better to get to Saddam before he gets to us.

As for North Korea I firmly think that they are just trying to get more consessions from the US. However, unlike the Clinton administration, the Bush administration is not going to bow to their threats. At the very best North Korea currently has a couple of nuclear bombs with no real way to deliver them. The minute that they put one on a plane the US or South Korea could easily intercept it. True the Taepodong missle can hit Hawaii or Alaska but only with a conventional warhead...not a nuclear one. The DPRK has no meathod of feeding its own people and also fears that the US will attack. This is why they want a no aggression pact with the US. Their rhetoric of late is an attempt to get more concessions from the US. Even North Koreas biggest alies...China and Russia (kinda) do not agree with what they are doing. And I firmly believe that if it came down to it neither would support North Korea...both would have too much to loose as a result of supporting them.
Old Jan 19, 2003 | 02:33 AM
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If N Korea has WMD then they have them. Iraq does not.
I just hope that he doesent piss of N Korea. Then Im screwed.
What is the rest of the world gonna do?
Old Jan 19, 2003 | 03:52 PM
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Originally posted by /^Blackmagik^\
ya know that's the same thing people were saying 12 years ago, however when the ground war broke out the majority of the iraqi army surrendered because our POW camps are more humane than their standard living conditions. that's why a lot of the gulf war veterans refer to someone standing with their weapon on the ground and their hands over their head as the iraqi fighting position. the truth is saddam's own people are tired of living in squalor because their dictator refuses to play nice with others and will probably join in against him.
I totally agree with you Blackmagik. The Iraqi people are sick of fighting and most will surender due to lack of moral. However keep in mind this is only the people outside of Baghdad. Inside Bagdad is a whole nother story with the Special Republican Guard. Those guys are a very proud group and very well trained. They fight to the death to ensure their way of life. That is the heart of Saddam's reign. It is said it will take about 500,000 US troops just to go against the Republican Guard on their turf. Also keep in mind that back in the 90's their was a group of countries aiding the US against Iraq, one of which was Saudi Arabia. In this new war, I do not think that Saudia Arabia will hose the US forces due to a Muslim uprising. I have talked with a friend of mine that just came back from Egypt about a year ago and he said the general view of the people their is that if war with Iraq happens then Egypt will fight AGAINST the US. Egypt has a very large population of Muslims as well.

I really do not think a war against Iraq is going to be the best choice in this situation. Im sure if it came down to it the US would win as we have the most firepower, but this will be at the cost of thousands of lives lost. Think back to the days of Hiroshima and Nagazaki (sorry if I butchered the names), we wanted to end a costly battle and at what means but mass genocide. This may happen again.
Old Jan 19, 2003 | 04:00 PM
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Egypt will not fight against the US...they have too much too loose. Sure there may be a lot of people on the streets of Cairo that would love to fight the US but there is no way that their government would enter into a war with the US...there are not many countries in the world that would be that stupid. They would be signing their own death certificate. Not only would they loose a war but with the tremendous weight the US pulls in almost every world organization...UN, Nato, WTO they would have a very hard time bettering themselves after a war. And the reason we are going to war with Iraq is to prevent cities such as New York, Los Angeles or Boston to be associated in the same sentances with Hiroshima and Nagasaki.
Old Jan 19, 2003 | 05:31 PM
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Well true enough, the govt's of other countries such as Egypt would not want to fight against the US because most of their officials have been placed in power by the US. The thing is the people will revolt and the Govt's know this. If the Muslims unite, their is nothing on this planet that can stop them. They are the majority. The Egyptian Govt as well as the Saudia Govt are both scared that their people will revolt if a War is brought against Iraq. That is the truth. Trust me on this. Nobody is gonna sit back and watch their own people die. This of course is true on both sides. This is a world war 3, and that is the reason the US has not already gone to war, their are many alliances that need to be made and keep in mind not all will hold if War comes down to it. Most of these leaders are all talk, they say what is needed to save their ass. Until the time comes you will never know who is on your side.
Old Jan 19, 2003 | 05:47 PM
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Originally posted by arracing
I totally agree with you Blackmagik. The Iraqi people are sick of fighting and most will surender due to lack of moral. However keep in mind this is only the people outside of Baghdad. Inside Bagdad is a whole nother story with the Special Republican Guard. Those guys are a very proud group and very well trained. They fight to the death to ensure their way of life. That is the heart of Saddam's reign. It is said it will take about 500,000 US troops just to go against the Republican Guard on their turf. Also keep in mind that back in the 90's their was a group of countries aiding the US against Iraq, one of which was Saudi Arabia. In this new war, I do not think that Saudia Arabia will hose the US forces due to a Muslim uprising. I have talked with a friend of mine that just came back from Egypt about a year ago and he said the general view of the people their is that if war with Iraq happens then Egypt will fight AGAINST the US. Egypt has a very large population of Muslims as well.

I really do not think a war against Iraq is going to be the best choice in this situation. Im sure if it came down to it the US would win as we have the most firepower, but this will be at the cost of thousands of lives lost. Think back to the days of Hiroshima and Nagazaki (sorry if I butchered the names), we wanted to end a costly battle and at what means but mass genocide. This may happen again.
actually a large amount of the iraqi soldiers that surrendered in 91 were part of the special republican guard or whatever it's called. war with iraq is the only option right now, anything less would be political suicide on a global scale. we have to show the world that we mean what we say or this country will be labled, globally, as a pushover. that would be worse than war. the economic effects of that would last decades.
Old Jan 19, 2003 | 05:53 PM
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Originally posted by DSC
If N Korea has WMD then they have them. Iraq does not.
are you so sure? do you really think that if iraq does have WMD they would keep them in the bunkers that the UN inspectors know about? come on now, be reasonable, saddam may be ruthless, but he's not dumb by any means.



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